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#26 OFFLINE   blieu118

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Posted 21 December 2015 - 08:50 AM

The guy obviously didnot take good care of his model from what you described...

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#27 OFFLINE   Floper54

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Posted 21 December 2015 - 02:06 PM

View Postlittlerockshhd, on 21 December 2015 - 12:50 AM, said:

I've had that happen to other rubber products... I think its just the plastic/rubber breaking down overtime... going back to petroleum.

Exact, you're right.

View PostHurryFast, on 21 December 2015 - 03:30 AM, said:

ice had this twice already, with the r34's from AUTOart. i found it strange, but since the models where damaged when i bought them, i thought it was from the pre owner.

Which R34 model ? do you remember the version ? older V-Spec or Upgraded ?

View PostAffi, on 21 December 2015 - 03:39 AM, said:

Did you try contacting AUTOart about this?

Not yet, but i don't know if i want to spend my time to ask them why they are selling these crap....

View PostCraig, on 21 December 2015 - 06:27 AM, said:

Never seen the tyre rubber disintegrate like this (and I've seen plenty of models) I have seen it melt on to bases several times though.

The tires melting on base is well known, it's is easy to prevent this problem with a paper under the wheel.

View Postblieu118, on 21 December 2015 - 08:50 AM, said:

The guy obviously didnot take good care of his model from what you described...

Exact... Bad Luck for me

I bought my first model on ebay to a douchebag. And he doesn't reply to my messages.

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Posted 21 December 2015 - 03:29 PM

View Postblieu118, on 21 December 2015 - 08:50 AM, said:

The guy obviously didnot take good care of his model from what you described...

Yep, and that's the main problem with buying second hand model's, in most cases you just cant tell how they've been treated...

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Posted 21 December 2015 - 07:50 PM

Placing papers under the wheels of the models is new to me. Should I do that as well, to prevent this from happening? Though I don't remove my models from their original packages.
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Posted 16 February 2016 - 09:49 PM

It has to do with pvc/ abs chemical properties- after exposing to heat, cooling down, heating up (happens in the display case) causes plastic to sweat*. After 2-3 years it loses that 'wax' and becomes brittle. Especially for an aged model like the R34. This is observed on pvc figures and statues as well.

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Posted 17 February 2016 - 01:12 AM

I believe this was caused by plasticizers which broke down. They are commonly injected to rubber/PVC to make realistic/soft matte looking toys, including 1:18 tyres in this case. After the stickiness episode it will become hardened and brittle.

Quote from the website:
"- Cause of Stickiness -The reason the figures become sticky is because of the plasticizer used when making them. This plasticizer is added to the PVC (the main material used in figures) in order to make it softer – the more mixed in with the PVC, the softer and more flexible it becomes.

However, over a long period of time this plasticizer vaporizes, and when this happens while a figure is sealed up in it’s box the vaporized plasticizer has nowhere to go, and thus sticks onto the surface of the figure creating a sticky layer."

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Posted 17 February 2016 - 10:54 AM

View Posttechnica, on 17 February 2016 - 01:12 AM, said:


Thanks a lot for this info. I've never seen this on a diecast before but I do have some childhood figures that become a bit sticky. They're figures from around '90s.
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Posted 18 February 2016 - 02:58 AM

I got to know because some of the figurines i collect became sticky. Then i got to know they use plasticizers on diecast models too when the interior of my BBR F430 got it... Sigh.

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Posted 18 February 2016 - 09:28 AM

Does this mean all the models(diecast or resin) must be removed from the leather bases they came with? Or the rubber tires only react to a plastic surface?

Edited by blieu118, 18 February 2016 - 09:28 AM.


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Posted 18 February 2016 - 10:37 AM

I hope you worked something out with the seller on it's condition before you committed to own it taking it apart :)

I would imagine that the tires are not always produced in matched sets versus randomly being thrown in a tub, so it may just be a bad batch that ended up being only one of the 4.

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Posted 02 March 2016 - 02:37 PM

Well I just found that problem on my first gen. AUdi R8 Kyosho :(

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Posted 02 March 2016 - 03:07 PM

That's not good :( Do you have any pictures ?

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Posted 03 March 2016 - 04:29 AM

View Postkevinb120, on 18 February 2016 - 10:37 AM, said:

I hope you worked something out with the seller on it's condition before you committed to own it taking it apart :)

I would imagine that the tires are not always produced in matched sets versus randomly being thrown in a tub, so it may just be a bad batch that ended up being only one of the 4.

Petey may be your savior here offering a replacement!

The seller didn't reply to my messages....

The model is now perfect, i have many spare wheels for this R34

View Postaudirs6, on 02 March 2016 - 02:37 PM, said:

Well I just found that problem on my first gen. AUdi R8 Kyosho :(

Oh... Can you share some pictures ?
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Posted 13 March 2016 - 10:16 AM

Really glad I came accross this thread, I didnt even know I should place paper under the wheels, guess I'm not long enough in this as yet.
Man, makes one worry about our collections. I assume heating and cooling will accelarate this as said previosuly, anything else that can be done?

Weird that its only the 1 tyre though.....
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Posted 29 July 2016 - 04:42 AM

Sorry, forgot to take pictures of my R8 but it was not as bad as M3 CSL. Pictures taken a few weeks ago..
Slowly front tyres will loose profile.

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Posted 29 July 2016 - 07:17 AM

Crazy, so now you have a tread wear lol .. I've noticed on some of my models that If I put them in a plastic 1:18 display case where tires will touch the plastic after some time there is some indication of a melting. Looks wet just like on these photos, just not even close to that. I now put a napkin or anything else between tires and plastic flooring and it seems to be okey

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Posted 29 July 2016 - 09:00 AM

All my cars which I left in my collection are on the glass shelfs.. I had 40 models stored in display cases ( One car - one Display case ) and every bottom of the display case had mark of a model tyre profile.. I sold all those display cases and lots of models, now I kept only cars I really like and that's it.
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Posted 29 July 2016 - 10:16 AM

I wonder if these two events are related:

http://www.diecastxc... +sticky +seats

I remember reading about this a while back :wtff:

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Posted 29 July 2016 - 11:09 AM

Useful stuff to know. When I'm able to display my models I'll try and raise the models slightly so the tires don't come into contact with anything
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Posted 29 July 2016 - 11:28 AM

I use acrylic risers whenever possible
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Posted 30 July 2016 - 04:03 AM

The tire on my R34 had the same curvy shape... you have to find a replacement wheel or tire

I use small papers between the wheels and the display case since many years, and it looks ok.

Acrylic risers are good but i prefer a more realistic way to display my models, on their wheels...

Alex the sticky seats on the Z06 are not related, it's just the paint on the plastic, not the material itself
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Posted 30 July 2016 - 04:48 AM

Thos tyres have nothing to do with the melting seats.. And I'm not sure how another surface can help to those tyres.. Will try on the CSL ;)

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Posted 30 July 2016 - 08:40 AM

You can't save the melting tires with papers under the wheels, but it can prevent the tires in good condition to stick to the display case

For your M3, you have to find another tire, like i did for my R34
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Posted 30 July 2016 - 08:46 AM

So can you then save them at all? I've noticed on my Autoart EVO 6 this problem when sat on a plastic after a month or so - not much, but still noticed tires were slightly "wet" where the contact was. I put a napkin between tires and plastic flooring and it's been good since

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Posted 31 July 2016 - 02:23 AM

reading this topic really scares me.  So what surfaces would be safe to place the cars on? is Wood safe?  I gather plastic is a no no and possibly glass too.  Would be good if someone could say.  many thanks.




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