Jump to content


Kyosho M3 Coupe E46 - quality issue


  • Please log in to reply
33 replies to this topic

#1 OFFLINE   ttgxc

ttgxc

    Member

  • DX Community
  • Pip
  • 239 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:United States
  • Favorite Brands:AutoArt, Minichamps, Otto-Models, BoS
  • Proud Citizen of:us

Posted 03 December 2008 - 02:10 PM

Hello, I am new to these forums. I hope I am posting this in the right section.

I own a yellow Kyosho Nissan 300ZX that I love. I just received a yellow Kyosho M3 Coupe (E46). It is brand new in box sitting in a styrofoam crate. I open the stryofoam, pull out the car to check it out of course. I go to open the passenger side door and it breaks off! The metal splits all the way through close to the hinge. The driver's door does not open with ease either as the front edge of the door gets stuck on the fender. Everything else is fine. I am really surprised this happened and don't know what to do. I don't have a receipt as this was bought for me a while ago as a gift. Do Kyosho models have these quality issues or these M3's prone to this? I just want it fixed and replaced, but Kyosho customer service says contact your hobby shop, but it was gift. Any help or advice would be great! I just hope I am not stuck with this broken model.Attached File  STP61432.JPG   80.95K   42 downloads

Edited by ttgxc, 03 December 2008 - 02:11 PM.


Remove Advertisements User is offline Advertisement

  • DieCastXChange.com



#2 OFFLINE   MED

MED

    Member

  • DX Community
  • Pip
  • 2,122 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:USA
  • Favorite Brands:AutoArt
  • Proud Citizen of:us

Posted 03 December 2008 - 02:32 PM

This problem has been reported before.  I think it's zinc pest or some kind of defect in the metal used. Others have mentioned their old Kyoshos disintegrating.

#3 OFFLINE   ttgxc

ttgxc

    Member

  • DX Community
  • Pip
  • 239 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:United States
  • Favorite Brands:AutoArt, Minichamps, Otto-Models, BoS
  • Proud Citizen of:us

Posted 03 December 2008 - 02:47 PM

View PostMED, on Dec 3 2008, 03:32 PM, said:

This problem has been reported before.  I think it's zinc pest or some kind of defect in the metal used. Others have mentioned their old Kyoshos disintegrating.

What have they done to rectify the situation or is there anything that can be done? Do you know of any other threads on this topic?

#4 OFFLINE   raidou

raidou

    Member

  • DX Elite
  • Pip
  • 2,413 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Germany
  • Favorite Brands:Kyosho, Norev & OttO
  • Proud Citizen of:de

Posted 03 December 2008 - 07:19 PM

Yes, this is a known problem on the yellow M3 (and meanwhile on some other Kyosho-BMWs)!

This was mine :dizzy :

Posted Image

Posted Image

Posted Image

Posted Image

Posted Image

Posted Image

Posted Image



I reported that at the Minichamps booth at Nurnberg Toy Fair last February (Minichamps is European distributor for Kyosho) and it was no problem to return the model (without receipt and even unboxed!). I got another model for free immediately.
A few month later my silver-blue M5 showed some similar issues. I e-mailed to Minichamps with some pics attached and once again I could return the model without any problem and got a replacement in sepang bronze within two weeks.

There were a lot of other cases mentioned in German forum and all members got another Kyosho model without hassle.

It's just annoying that it is yellow one of all things, the best color for M3 and not available anymore. :rant

#5 Guest_7_*

Guest_7_*
  • Guest

Posted 03 December 2008 - 08:30 PM

It's nothing that raidou can't fix for you with a bit of modeling putty and some wood...I keed, I keed!

#6 OFFLINE   winstoncds

winstoncds

    Senior Member

  • DX Hall of Fame
  • PipPip
  • 6,354 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Bombay
  • Favorite Brands:Ebbro IXO
  • Proud Citizen of:in

Posted 04 December 2008 - 08:24 AM

Is this a problem only with yellow M3s? Could the paint have something in it that destroys the casting.
I know Kung-fu
Posted Image
and 50 other such dangerous words.

#7 OFFLINE   raidou

raidou

    Member

  • DX Elite
  • Pip
  • 2,413 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Germany
  • Favorite Brands:Kyosho, Norev & OttO
  • Proud Citizen of:de

Posted 04 December 2008 - 08:48 AM

With the M3s it's just the yellow one...yet!
But that's definetely no paint problem. Zinc pest is caused by impure alloy, the process starts IN the material (can last a few years) and is not stoppable. No way to influence it.

#8 OFFLINE   Slayer

Slayer

    Member

  • DX Community
  • Pip
  • 124 posts
  • Location:Kazan
  • Interests:Die-casts<br />Soccer (Inter M, Rubin Kazan)<br />Ice Hockey (AkBars Kazan)
  • Favorite Brands:Kyosho
  • Proud Citizen of:ru

Posted 04 December 2008 - 06:21 PM

:omg:
All of Kyosho models made by Zinc? Or they use now another material?

#9 OFFLINE   ttgxc

ttgxc

    Member

  • DX Community
  • Pip
  • 239 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:United States
  • Favorite Brands:AutoArt, Minichamps, Otto-Models, BoS
  • Proud Citizen of:us

Posted 05 December 2008 - 12:16 AM

View Postraidou, on Dec 3 2008, 08:19 PM, said:

Yes, this is a known problem on the yellow M3 (and meanwhile on some other Kyosho-BMWs)!

I reported that at the Minichamps booth at Nurnberg Toy Fair last February (Minichamps is European distributor for Kyosho) and it was no problem to return the model (without receipt and even unboxed!). I got another model for free immediately.
A few month later my silver-blue M5 showed some similar issues. I e-mailed to Minichamps with some pics attached and once again I could return the model without any problem and got a replacement in sepang bronze within two weeks.

There were a lot of other cases mentioned in German forum and all members got another Kyosho model without hassle.

It's just annoying that it is yellow one of all things, the best color for M3 and not available anymore. :rant

Thanks for the support and it's unfortunate it is happening to others. Do you have the email or contact you made at Minichamps. I tried to call them, but the person I spoke to acted like there was nothing he could do. I might try calling and speaking to someone else tomorrow.

#10 OFFLINE   raidou

raidou

    Member

  • DX Elite
  • Pip
  • 2,413 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Germany
  • Favorite Brands:Kyosho, Norev & OttO
  • Proud Citizen of:de

Posted 05 December 2008 - 05:26 AM

View PostSlayer, on Dec 5 2008, 01:21 AM, said:

:omg:
All of Kyosho models made by Zinc? Or they use now another material?
Not just all Kyoshos but ALL diecasts are made of zinc alloy.
And there are also other makers affected by this problem (i.e. Mattel, Revell, ActionPerformance...)

#11 OFFLINE   ttgxc

ttgxc

    Member

  • DX Community
  • Pip
  • 239 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:United States
  • Favorite Brands:AutoArt, Minichamps, Otto-Models, BoS
  • Proud Citizen of:us

Posted 05 December 2008 - 09:37 AM

View Postraidou, on Dec 5 2008, 06:26 AM, said:

View PostSlayer, on Dec 5 2008, 01:21 AM, said:

:omg:
All of Kyosho models made by Zinc? Or they use now another material?
Not just all Kyoshos but ALL diecasts are made of zinc alloy.
And there are also other makers affected by this problem (i.e. Mattel, Revell, ActionPerformance...)

So I talked to a guy at Minichamps and he stated that I have to go back from where I got it from. Well I didn't get it anywhere. It was bought awhile ago from someone else (I think ebay) and I just received it from them as a gift. He said he never heard of this happening and can't really do anything.  :confused So I will try emailing them with pictures. Should I tell them I bought it from a seller on ebay?

#12 OFFLINE   Florin

Florin

    Member

  • DX Community
  • Pip
  • 2,626 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Favorite Brands:Minichamps, Kyosho
  • Proud Citizen of:ca

Posted 09 December 2008 - 07:35 PM

View Postttgxc, on Dec 5 2008, 10:37 AM, said:

So I talked to a guy at Minichamps and he stated that I have to go back from where I got it from. Well I didn't get it anywhere. It was bought awhile ago from someone else (I think ebay) and I just received it from them as a gift. He said he never heard of this happening and can't really do anything.  :confused So I will try emailing them with pictures. Should I tell them I bought it from a seller on ebay?

Send him a link to this post
But...but...but the Chinese labor rates!

#13 OFFLINE   RSIevolution

RSIevolution

    Member

  • DX Community
  • Pip
  • 1,849 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Athens, Greece
  • Interests:Music, 1:1 Cars, 1:18 Cars...
  • Favorite Brands:Autoart- Kyosho
  • Proud Citizen of:gr

Posted 29 November 2010 - 07:11 PM

Recently the owner of the Diecast store i buy my most models gave me 2 yellow Kyosho M3's with some problems: the one had a broked passenger door and the other has BIG quality issues... The hood is cracked everywhere, the paint is awfull etc. So i may save one of them, installing all good parts in one model..
Posted Image
Posted Image

Its a disaster! even with respray, i don't think it can be saved..
Posted Image

#14 OFFLINE   S40

S40

    Member

  • DX Community
  • Pip
  • 3,959 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Seattle
  • Favorite Brands:Autoart
  • Proud Citizen of:us

Posted 29 November 2010 - 07:25 PM

It has zinc pest which is a known problem with the Phoenix Yellow M3 from Kyosho. Mine has the same problem, the metal is not stable.

#15 OFFLINE   jcappai18

jcappai18

    Member

  • DX Community
  • Pip
  • 649 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Montreal, Canada
  • Favorite Brands:GT Spirit, AUTOart, MR
  • Proud Citizen of:mq

Posted 29 November 2010 - 07:42 PM

Do you guys think we should expect the same issue with the recently released E46 GTR and E46 Convertible in phoenix yellow or they solved the problem?
- Jordan -

#16 OFFLINE   S40

S40

    Member

  • DX Community
  • Pip
  • 3,959 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Seattle
  • Favorite Brands:Autoart
  • Proud Citizen of:us

Posted 29 November 2010 - 10:03 PM

Zinc decay is related to the batch of metal they used to make the car. They made this car many years ago, so it will not be the same raw material for these new releases. Lately it doesn't seem like any cars are being affected by zinc decay, so I would buy with confidence regarding the latest release E46 cars.

The short answer: There shouldn't be any problems with the new ones.

#17 OFFLINE   m_power

m_power

    Member

  • DX Community
  • Pip
  • 3,406 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:London
  • Interests:European and Japanese cars, Women, Top Gear, Food, Photography, Watches
  • Favorite Brands:MR
  • Proud Citizen of:ca

Posted 29 November 2010 - 10:32 PM

Did you pay for those two PY M3s? They look terrible..but I can't wait to get the new M3 verts.

#18 OFFLINE   RSIevolution

RSIevolution

    Member

  • DX Community
  • Pip
  • 1,849 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Athens, Greece
  • Interests:Music, 1:1 Cars, 1:18 Cars...
  • Favorite Brands:Autoart- Kyosho
  • Proud Citizen of:gr

Posted 01 December 2010 - 05:03 AM

View Postm_power, on 29 November 2010 - 10:32 PM, said:

Did you pay for those two PY M3s? They look terrible..but I can't wait to get the new M3 verts.


No, i didn't pay!! The owner of the store i buy Diecasts give me the 2 M3's in case i could assemble one M3 with all good parts. I am still working on it..!
Really terrible metal... But the good think is i have some free spare parts from them!!Posted Image
Posted Image

#19 OFFLINE   InTheFastLane

InTheFastLane

    Member

  • DX Community
  • Pip
  • 108 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Favorite Brands:All brands...whoever makes the car I want.
  • Proud Citizen of:ca

Posted 24 June 2011 - 07:51 PM

I have the same problem with mine.  I live in Toronto Canada.  Anyone knows who I should contact here?  Same thing is happening on a 1/18 Dealer Edition Kyosho BMW 7-series in silver.   Should I do back to the dealer?

#20 OFFLINE   Craig

Craig

    Administrator

  • DX Administrator
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 23,863 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Favorite Brands:CMC/ Exoto/ FrontiArt/ GT Spirit/ UT Models
  • Proud Citizen of:gb

Posted 25 June 2011 - 11:27 AM

Does this still happen to them ?

I'm worried about my CSL & the E46 M3 w/CSL wheels, the CSL was ok the othe rmonth when I checked though.

Posted Image



Please feel free to check out my 1/18 collection HERE


#21 OFFLINE   Mega_BMW

Mega_BMW

    Junior Member

  • DX Community
  • 97 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Interests:Just BMW !!!
  • Favorite Brands:Kyosho & AUTOart
  • Proud Citizen of:ir

Posted 09 September 2011 - 04:50 AM

I have a Blue M3 E46 with CSL rims but i never had this problem yet!
Did you replace it?
I'm "Moeid"

My collection:
http://www.diecastxchange.com/forum1/topic/71372-my-118-bimmer-collection/

#22 OFFLINE   diecastnex

diecastnex

    Junior Member

  • Restricted
  • 23 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Kuala Lumpur
  • Interests:Diecast 1:18 !
  • Favorite Brands:All 1:18 diecast
  • Proud Citizen of:my

Posted 12 September 2011 - 01:46 AM

OMG !! .. I don't think have this good service in my country man, can exchange 1 to 1 ! Sigh..
I got no money to buy the REAL car, only afford to buy DieCast ~

#23 OFFLINE   agvancouver

agvancouver

    Member

  • DX Community
  • Pip
  • 483 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Vancouver BC
  • Interests:Diecasts,Film photography
  • Favorite Brands:autoart, kyosho, norev, maisto, tamiya
  • Proud Citizen of:ca

Posted 03 October 2011 - 07:28 AM

View PostInTheFastLane, on 24 June 2011 - 07:51 PM, said:

I have the same problem with mine.  I live in Toronto Canada.  Anyone knows who I should contact here?  Same thing is happening on a 1/18 Dealer Edition Kyosho BMW 7-series in silver.   Should I do back to the dealer?

that's not the F02 body is it? i have the metallic blue one. i just hope the red E46 M3 GTR doesn't have the same problem. i just placed one on order.
View my photos!
www.redbubble.com/people/adriangeronimo

#24 OFFLINE   Phil Bell

Phil Bell

    Member

  • DX Community
  • Pip
  • 100 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Favorite Brands:Biante/Autoart
  • Proud Citizen of:sg

Posted 03 October 2011 - 07:31 AM

Wow I feel sorry for you guy's...Perhaps if the actual body is ok you could mount it on a garage diorama...Im really shocked to see such defects from a Kyosho model...I mean yes the paint rash I understand but this is really shocking!

#25 OFFLINE   agvancouver

agvancouver

    Member

  • DX Community
  • Pip
  • 483 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Vancouver BC
  • Interests:Diecasts,Film photography
  • Favorite Brands:autoart, kyosho, norev, maisto, tamiya
  • Proud Citizen of:ca

Posted 03 October 2011 - 08:58 AM

obviously someone in the factory's been drinking the kool aid and doing some 'shortcuts' with the materials
and manufacturing. i think kyosho would be better off being made in japan by a properly trained and well paid
employee, instead of some sweatshop slavery house that makes
stupid crap like that yellow m3. it's a shame.. such a beautiful car too.
View my photos!
www.redbubble.com/people/adriangeronimo




0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users





©2003-2014 DiecastXchange - The Complete Diecast Car Collectors Message Forum | Privacy Policy | Terms of Use