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Posted 20 March 2020 - 10:18 AM

This would be the last chapter in the E21 series. In addition to Minichamps models covered last time, there were several sealed resin E21s made by Spark Models and one car made by a company called CMF. Spark racing E21 models are all 320 Turbos from 1979-80 DRM seasons, and 1980-81 Macau races.

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BMW E21 320 Turbo #55 Rodenstock Racing /Sachs Racing. Harald Ertl.

They are nicely proportioned models with great graphics and high-quality overall finish. Being sealed resin pieces, the detailing is limited to what you can see on the outside, with chassis detail being very sparse and, for the most part, inaccurate.

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BMW E21 320 Turbo Gr. 5 #2 Dunhill/Dunlop. Hans Stuck.

They look great on the shelf, but lack the detail offered by Minichamps replicas. However, what is present is done to a high standard, with many unique details faithfully replicated in scale.

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BMW E21 320 Turbo #6 Jägermeister Racing / GS Tuning Team. Marcus Hottinger.

Three of the cars are limited released of only 300 pieces each for a German model shop Raceland, and they were sold only in that shop. Being the only distributor, Raceland sold them for a bit more what typical Spark models sell for ($170). But overall, they were a decent value, especially considering how prices went up after the models were sold out.

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BMW E21 320 Turbo #4 Rodenstock Wurth, Team Schnitzer. Manfred Winkelhock.

These models do represent cars never released by Minichamps and add to the collection in this regard. Cars are nicely packaged in styrofoam clamshell boxes with superb designs on the top and sides and mounted on black wooden bases similar to Spark’s 1/43 scale releases.

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Spark BMW E21 320 Turbo lineup.

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You have to give credit to Spark for making each model unique – all the subtle differences in configuration of front wings, splitters, supports, headlights, etc – all were modeled correctly after the prototypes.

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Four different cars – four different rear wing designs. Pretty good attention to detail, often not seen on the models from mainstream manufacturers.

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Wheels were identical on all four models, but all of the interiors were different. Air ducts, dashboards, instrument setups, and even the correct right-hand steering on Jagermeister car. Outstanding job by Spark.

Curiously, in addition to the traditional E21 320 racing body style, Spark also released couple E21s with outrageous bodywork in Viceroy livery from 1981 Macau Race, and Rodenstock livery ran by team Schnitzer in Division 2 on Nurburgring in 1979.

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BMW E21 320 Turbo #4 Rodenstock Wurth, Team Schnitzer. Manfred Winkelhock.

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BMW E21 320 Turbo Gr. 5 #1 Team Viceroy — Sime Darby. Manfred Winkelhock.

Not to be outdone, virtual newcomer Chinese-based resin maker CMF made the same car, but from Zolder race of the same year. CMF model is very similar in quality and detail, though not as polished as Spark version and as such, look a bit cheaper when sitting on the shelf next to Spark. They do make a good looking set, though.

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BMW E21 320 Turbo #4 Rodenstock Wurth, Team Schnitzer. Manfred Winkelhock.

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Spark and CMF E21 320 Turbo lineup.

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Minor differences on the car implemented between the races are faithfully reproduced in scale. Different kick-panel design, exhaust configurations, headlights, grilles, etc. Viceroy car has completely different bodywork!

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Just like on the earlier cars, wheels are the same on Sparks, but CMF sport a different design. Both CMF and Spark have similar rear wing on their #4 cars, but Viceroy-liveried car had a much more elaborated wing design. Terrific attention to detail from both manufacturers.

As of the time of writing, Spark promised a couple of other E21 racing variants, but until this materializes a complete collection of racing E21s would consist of 7 Minichamps models, 6 Sparks, and a CMF for the total of 14 pieces. This concludes E21 series – until we get new models, that is.

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BMW E21 320 Turbo #6 Jägermeister Racing / GS Tuning Team. Marcus Hottinger. Probably my favorite model out of the bunch.

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Posted 20 March 2020 - 12:01 PM

More nerd information:
For the 1977 IMSA series, BMW in conjunction with McLaren, ran a turbocharged version of the 320 in several races.
This car was the first to have modified bodywork, more akin to the 1978 cars.
A small number of cars were also run in the 1977 group 5 World championship series - all N/A and all with unmodified bodywork.
Some were raced again in the 1978 series, with both the original and modified body panels.
The 'Flach' 320 turbo as developed by Schnitzer during 1979 (as seen in Rodenstock colours above) was also raced with Kraus Hi-Fi paint scheme.
A bit of a sideline now - the E21 320 was also raced in the later 70's FIA group 2 ETCC and DRM Rennsport trophy classes.
These had far less extreme bodywork and the original SOHC engine.

Edited by slartibartfast229, 20 March 2020 - 12:02 PM.


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Posted 20 March 2020 - 12:15 PM

 slartibartfast229, on 20 March 2020 - 12:01 PM, said:

More nerd information:
For the 1977 IMSA series, BMW in conjunction with McLaren, ran a turbocharged version of the 320 in several races.
This car was the first to have modified bodywork, more akin to the 1978 cars.
A small number of cars were also run in the 1977 group 5 World championship series - all N/A and all with unmodified bodywork.
Some were raced again in the 1978 series, with both the original and modified body panels.
The 'Flach' 320 turbo as developed by Schnitzer during 1979 (as seen in Rodenstock colours above) was also raced with Kraus Hi-Fi paint scheme.
A bit of a sideline now - the E21 320 was also raced in the later 70's FIA group 2 ETCC and DRM Rennsport trophy classes.
These had far less extreme bodywork and the original SOHC engine.

Very cool, thanks for that.
I'm really hoping Spark will release Kraus cars - the livery is stunning.

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Posted 20 March 2020 - 03:38 PM

 s52z3mc, on 20 March 2020 - 12:15 PM, said:

 slartibartfast229, on 20 March 2020 - 12:01 PM, said:

More nerd information:
For the 1977 IMSA series, BMW in conjunction with McLaren, ran a turbocharged version of the 320 in several races.
This car was the first to have modified bodywork, more akin to the 1978 cars.
A small number of cars were also run in the 1977 group 5 World championship series - all N/A and all with unmodified bodywork.
Some were raced again in the 1978 series, with both the original and modified body panels.
The 'Flach' 320 turbo as developed by Schnitzer during 1979 (as seen in Rodenstock colours above) was also raced with Kraus Hi-Fi paint scheme.
A bit of a sideline now - the E21 320 was also raced in the later 70's FIA group 2 ETCC and DRM Rennsport trophy classes.
These had far less extreme bodywork and the original SOHC engine.

Very cool, thanks for that.
I'm really hoping Spark will release Kraus cars - the livery is stunning.
There was quite a bit of controversy regarding the Kraus schemes.
Zakspeed were the first to show the pattern type markings, then Loos on a 935, then the Flach.
http://www.touringca.../1980 Cars.html
It's a long time ago now, but Autosport (back in the days it was worth buying) ran a number of reports of threats of legal involvement for alleged 'knock-offs'......

Edited by slartibartfast229, 20 March 2020 - 03:40 PM.


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Posted 20 March 2020 - 07:28 PM

I am sorry someone else beat you to that interlagos E46. I hope you will find one.

Your writing is impeccable and the pics are stunning. I feel quite inadequate to participate with any info to your thread, not that it needs anything other than BMW enthusiasts to read it. For me it is a valuable lesson on a small chapter of BMW history. Thank you again for that!

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Posted 23 March 2020 - 07:17 AM

View Postslartibartfast229, on 20 March 2020 - 03:38 PM, said:

View Posts52z3mc, on 20 March 2020 - 12:15 PM, said:

View Postslartibartfast229, on 20 March 2020 - 12:01 PM, said:

More nerd information:
For the 1977 IMSA series, BMW in conjunction with McLaren, ran a turbocharged version of the 320 in several races.
This car was the first to have modified bodywork, more akin to the 1978 cars.
A small number of cars were also run in the 1977 group 5 World championship series - all N/A and all with unmodified bodywork.
Some were raced again in the 1978 series, with both the original and modified body panels.
The 'Flach' 320 turbo as developed by Schnitzer during 1979 (as seen in Rodenstock colours above) was also raced with Kraus Hi-Fi paint scheme.
A bit of a sideline now - the E21 320 was also raced in the later 70's FIA group 2 ETCC and DRM Rennsport trophy classes.
These had far less extreme bodywork and the original SOHC engine.

Very cool, thanks for that.
I'm really hoping Spark will release Kraus cars - the livery is stunning.
There was quite a bit of controversy regarding the Kraus schemes.
Zakspeed were the first to show the pattern type markings, then Loos on a 935, then the Flach.
http://www.touringca.../1980 Cars.html
It's a long time ago now, but Autosport (back in the days it was worth buying) ran a number of reports of threats of legal involvement for alleged 'knock-offs'......

Interesting. Capri's look soo good in Kraus livery.

View PostjustBIMMER77, on 20 March 2020 - 07:28 PM, said:

I am sorry someone else beat you to that interlagos E46. I hope you will find one.

Your writing is impeccable and the pics are stunning. I feel quite inadequate to participate with any info to your thread, not that it needs anything other than BMW enthusiasts to read it. For me it is a valuable lesson on a small chapter of BMW history. Thank you again for that!

Thank you! Much appreciated. I'm working on E30 chapter, but as you might know, it is completely different animal since E30 M3 is apparently the car every freaking model maker wants to make their own version of, and I believe there are something like 67 different versions released so far... so it is quite a job to catalog, not to mention acquire all of them, photograph, etc. Waiting on one more model before I could start doing that.

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Posted 01 April 2020 - 02:50 PM

5-Series

5-Series is a mid-size luxury car that was first released by BMW in 1972. It is the successor to the 4-door sedans of the BMW Neue Klasse and is currently (as of 2020) in its seventh generation, which was first unveiled in 2017.

5-series is the second most popular car in the BMW lineup, and is responsible for significant portion of company profits. By 2009 BMW made and sold over 5 million 5-series cars. One interesting fact – current BMW naming convention (3-digit number followed by letters) started with the first 5-series cars in 1972 and continues, with few exceptions to this day.

For the longest time 5-series cars were pretty much ignored by model makers, and to some degree this remains the case even today. For years, the only models of the legendary Bavarian sedans were two color versions of E28 535i models by AUTOart, with the only M5 in existence also being AUTOart’s E28 masterpiece.

And it is rather puzzling for such a successful vehicle. There are plenty of 3-series models, but much less 5ers. Partially this is explained by the lack of racing versions of the 5-series (aside from several rally cars and an odd race car here and there they were not used much for racing), and overall image as being more of a “family” sedans and not very exciting subject for the model car collectors. But situation has been steadily improving in the recent years, especially with resin manufacturers releasing several highly desirable M5 variants that were never released in 1/18th in the past.

5-Series Generations

E12: 1972 – 1981. Sedan
E28: 1981 – 1988. Sedan
E34: 1988 – 1996. Sedan/Touring
E39: 1996 – 2003. Sedan/Touring
E60/61: 2004 – 2010. Sedan/Touring
F07/10/11: 2010 – 2017. Sedan/Touring/GT
G30/31/38/F90: 2017 – Present. Sedan/Touring

E12

First generation 5 was produced by BMW from 1972 to 1981. Being completely new model at the time of its introduction, designers were playing it safe with the replacement of the beloved Neue Klasse sedans. Final design was penned by Paul Bracq, but it was highly influenced by 1970 BMW 2002ti Garmisch show car designed by Bertone.

E12 cars were initially released as the 520/520i 4-cylinder models (using power plants from the preceding Neue Klasse models), with 525 M30 straight-six engine coming a year later, followed by 528, 530, 533 and 535 models later in the production run.

In September 1976 E12 received a mild facelift. Gas tank door was moved to the side of the car and the taillights were widened. The hood received a slight “power bulge” which followed the lines of kidney grilles, and the dashboard vents were repositioned for better air distribution.

At the end of its production life, E12 could be ordered with “Motorsport” upgrades as a special order on 528/530 models. Upgrades consisted of 25% LSD, vented disc brakes, Bilstein shocks, Scheel or Recaro sports seats, sports steering wheel, light alloy wheels with lower profile tires, and optional front-rear spoilers.

Finally, there was an "official" Motorsport version called M535i, sporting a 3.5L engine with Motorsport front and rear spoilers, Recaro sport seats, close-ratio gearbox and LSD, larger brakes, Motorsport striping down the sides and front air-dam, and M1 steering wheel. It was produced in 1980 and 1981 with 1410 total cars made. The E12 M535i was the hottest E12 and is rightfully considered to be the predecessor to the legendary BMW M5. The E12 was replaced in Europe/North America by the E28 in 1981, although E12 production continued until 1984 in South Africa.

E12 in 1:18 Scale

For scale model collectors there isn’t a huge selection to pick from, but we are in a much better position today than we were just a couple of years ago. And while the only model of the E12 we have is the “loaded” M535i in both resin and sealed diecast, it is still better than not having any models at all. Hopefully other versions of this great classic sedan will be made in the future. As of this writing, some pictures of the pre-facelift 520 made by MCG (Model Car Group) circulating around the net and due to be released in the first half of the 2020. Three colors are planned.

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Otto resin is typical for models from this manufacturer, and while it is not the best or most detailed resin model, its rather accurate and nicely made. The model is available only in Alpine White. Paint quality is good, decals are correct, and interior detail is above average. Obviously sealed with no undercarriage detail, but solid effort nonetheless.

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OttoMobile 1/18 BMW E12 535i Alpinweiss

For a couple of years, this was the only choice if you wanted an E12, but recently another French model maker Norev released a rather simplified sealed diecast of the exact same car. While some may argue this was a poor choice of prototype as the model already existed, Norev cars were rather inexpensive (to be fair, Otto models were not high-priced either).

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Norev 1/18 BMW E12 535i Silver w/M-Stripe

Norev offering came in Alpine White and Silver with the M-stripes (I got the silver since I already had white Otto), and a couple non-striped variations. At first glance the car was mostly correct in shape and detail, even though it is a very simple model with no chassis detail, simplified interior, and only ok paint quality. Even the wheels don’t steer. The model is rather light and honestly, feels like more like a toy than a model. It looks fine on sitting on the shelf, but if you can get your hands on Otto model, you can easily skip Norev with no regrets. I’m expecting Otto to hold better value anyway.

Few months later after initial release of the 535i with the M-stripes, Norev issued two other colors of the model without M-stripes – in black and bronze (which they call Gold).

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Norev 1/18 BMW E12 535i Gold

Few years after the initial 535i offering, in 2017 Otto came back to E12 and released a nice Alpina B7 S Turbo model in dark Alpina blue with copper-colored stripes based on their M535i model. Overall, it is a very solid model with proper shape and mostly correct details. Excellent wheels and proper front and rear skirts and badging make it a very nice add to the collection – especially if you are a fan of the tuned BMW’s from Buchloe.

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OttoMobile BMW E12 Alpina B7 S Turbo

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Otto E12 models
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The front ends are almost identical on all models, though you can clearly see the difference between Alpina and 535’s. Power bulge on the hood also suggests all of these are facelifted models.

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Alpina rear spoiler is slightly different shape, but if not for the different badging you probably won’t tell it apart from the regular 5er. Wheels on 535’s are identical on Norev and Otto, but Alpina has an inch-up classic Alpina rims.

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Headlights are slightly bigger on Norev models, and 535 badges are missing from the front – though the M-stripe version does have a old-style BMW logo on the air dam that Otto does not have. Otto interiors are way better than plain black Norev models. Alpina even has that classic wood shift knob.

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Full E12 lineup in 1:18 scale

Sadly, there are still no full detail E12 available for 1:18 scale collectors. With tendencies of the manufacturers to release either resin or sealed metal models these days, chances are it will stay this way a while longer.

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Posted 01 April 2020 - 02:59 PM

Nice to see these beautiful BMW's in 1:18 scale! Love the pictures by the way!

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Posted 01 April 2020 - 03:29 PM

Return of the nerd!
Excellent series as always, and an enjoyable read in these difficult times.
The E12 and E28 do have some less high profile motorsport history.
The E12 was used for production based group 1 racing in Europe including winning the Spa 24 hours in 1977.
There were also a very small number of group 2 cars later in the 70's.
https://www.racingsp...530i.html?cat=4
The E28 was used in group A for around a year before the arrival into the class of the 635.
https://www.racingsp...528i.html?cat=4
I would like to see a 1/18th scale model of the '77 Spa winner to add to my small collection of these cars.
Even the E3 had some motor racing, mostly in pure production racing in the early 70's.

Edited by slartibartfast229, 01 April 2020 - 03:30 PM.


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Posted 01 April 2020 - 09:45 PM

View PostRDynamic, on 01 April 2020 - 02:59 PM, said:

Nice to see these beautiful BMW's in 1:18 scale! Love the pictures by the way!

Thank you! Pictures do take a long time to do. Prob about 400 clicks post-processing - each.

View Postslartibartfast229, on 01 April 2020 - 03:29 PM, said:

Return of the nerd!
Excellent series as always, and an enjoyable read in these difficult times.
The E12 and E28 do have some less high profile motorsport history.
The E12 was used for production based group 1 racing in Europe including winning the Spa 24 hours in 1977.
There were also a very small number of group 2 cars later in the 70's.
https://www.racingsp...530i.html?cat=4
The E28 was used in group A for around a year before the arrival into the class of the 635.
https://www.racingsp...528i.html?cat=4
I would like to see a 1/18th scale model of the '77 Spa winner to add to my small collection of these cars.
Even the E3 had some motor racing, mostly in pure production racing in the early 70's.

Thank you, I enjoy you little nuggets of information. I knew there were some early 5-series racers, but I was mostly saying this about 5-series in general. Obviously as the car got bigger and heavier, using it in motorsport was absurd, so nobody did it.

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Posted 02 April 2020 - 06:05 AM

Loving the 2nd part of BMW history on E12 :eusa_clap: Yes you are right about MCG will be releasing the normal version of E12 and I think i will be in line to get one. I was thrilled when Ottomobile announced the E12 535i years ago and got one the moment they came out. Norev released the diecast version afterward. I am always curious to know if the Norev one shares the same mould as Ottomobile or both are built from ground up. Not sure if resin mold can be re-used for diecast or not though... I thought of that because it appears that Norev released a number of identical models that were initially made by Ottomobile one of the model came to mind is the Merc C123 coupe.

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Posted 02 April 2020 - 06:26 AM

View Postjazzy426, on 02 April 2020 - 06:05 AM, said:

Loving the 2nd part of BMW history on E12 :eusa_clap: Yes you are right about MCG will be releasing the normal version of E12 and I think i will be in line to get one. I was thrilled when Ottomobile announced the E12 535i years ago and got one the moment they came out. Norev released the diecast version afterward. I am always curious to know if the Norev one shares the same mould as Ottomobile or both are built from ground up. Not sure if resin mold can be re-used for diecast or not though... I thought of that because it appears that Norev released a number of identical models that were initially made by Ottomobile one of the model came to mind is the Merc C123 coupe.
Either great minds think alike, or there has been some industrial espionage. :yahoo:

View Posts52z3mc, on 01 April 2020 - 09:45 PM, said:

View PostRDynamic, on 01 April 2020 - 02:59 PM, said:

Nice to see these beautiful BMW's in 1:18 scale! Love the pictures by the way!

Thank you! Pictures do take a long time to do. Prob about 400 clicks post-processing - each.

View Postslartibartfast229, on 01 April 2020 - 03:29 PM, said:

Return of the nerd!
Excellent series as always, and an enjoyable read in these difficult times.
The E12 and E28 do have some less high profile motorsport history.
The E12 was used for production based group 1 racing in Europe including winning the Spa 24 hours in 1977.
There were also a very small number of group 2 cars later in the 70's.
https://www.racingsp...530i.html?cat=4
The E28 was used in group A for around a year before the arrival into the class of the 635.
https://www.racingsp...528i.html?cat=4
I would like to see a 1/18th scale model of the '77 Spa winner to add to my small collection of these cars.
Even the E3 had some motor racing, mostly in pure production racing in the early 70's.

Thank you, I enjoy you little nuggets of information. I knew there were some early 5-series racers, but I was mostly saying this about 5-series in general. Obviously as the car got bigger and heavier, using it in motorsport was absurd, so nobody did it.
BMW were slow in homologating the 635 into group A because they thought it would be too heavy to be truly competitive.
I know I'm jumping the gun slightly, but can you believe BMW didn't think they could sell 5000 M635i versions with the 24 valve engine?   :dunno:

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Posted 02 April 2020 - 07:21 AM

View Postslartibartfast229, on 02 April 2020 - 06:26 AM, said:

View Postjazzy426, on 02 April 2020 - 06:05 AM, said:

Loving the 2nd part of BMW history on E12 :eusa_clap: Yes you are right about MCG will be releasing the normal version of E12 and I think i will be in line to get one. I was thrilled when Ottomobile announced the E12 535i years ago and got one the moment they came out. Norev released the diecast version afterward. I am always curious to know if the Norev one shares the same mould as Ottomobile or both are built from ground up. Not sure if resin mold can be re-used for diecast or not though... I thought of that because it appears that Norev released a number of identical models that were initially made by Ottomobile one of the model came to mind is the Merc C123 coupe.
Either great minds think alike, or there has been some industrial espionage. :yahoo:

i dont mind it either way as long as that creates competitions among them makers.. thus better quality lower price and of cos more options for us consumers to choose from.. :giggle:  :yahoo:

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Posted 02 April 2020 - 10:45 AM

View Postjazzy426, on 02 April 2020 - 06:05 AM, said:

Loving the 2nd part of BMW history on E12 :eusa_clap: Yes you are right about MCG will be releasing the normal version of E12 and I think i will be in line to get one. I was thrilled when Ottomobile announced the E12 535i years ago and got one the moment they came out. Norev released the diecast version afterward. I am always curious to know if the Norev one shares the same mould as Ottomobile or both are built from ground up. Not sure if resin mold can be re-used for diecast or not though... I thought of that because it appears that Norev released a number of identical models that were initially made by Ottomobile one of the model came to mind is the Merc C123 coupe.

Thank you! I don't know if MCG will be anything to write home about judging by the their previous releases. I have theor 1800Ti and its pretty horrible. We'll see I guess. Oh how I wish somebody would make a decent E12 with nice engine and undercarriage detail.
Resin molds certainly can not be used to make anything other than resin - in fact, they are usually fragile enough to handle only about 100-200 copies before they are no longer useable. One of the reasons resin casters usually make limited releases of 500-1000 copies due to labor costs involved in making new molds all the time. Norev model is different shape-wise in several areas, so they are absolutely their own design.

View Postslartibartfast229, on 02 April 2020 - 06:26 AM, said:

View Postjazzy426, on 02 April 2020 - 06:05 AM, said:

Loving the 2nd part of BMW history on E12 :eusa_clap: Yes you are right about MCG will be releasing the normal version of E12 and I think i will be in line to get one. I was thrilled when Ottomobile announced the E12 535i years ago and got one the moment they came out. Norev released the diecast version afterward. I am always curious to know if the Norev one shares the same mould as Ottomobile or both are built from ground up. Not sure if resin mold can be re-used for diecast or not though... I thought of that because it appears that Norev released a number of identical models that were initially made by Ottomobile one of the model came to mind is the Merc C123 coupe.
Either great minds think alike, or there has been some industrial espionage. :yahoo:

View Posts52z3mc, on 01 April 2020 - 09:45 PM, said:

View PostRDynamic, on 01 April 2020 - 02:59 PM, said:

Nice to see these beautiful BMW's in 1:18 scale! Love the pictures by the way!

Thank you! Pictures do take a long time to do. Prob about 400 clicks post-processing - each.

View Postslartibartfast229, on 01 April 2020 - 03:29 PM, said:

Return of the nerd!
Excellent series as always, and an enjoyable read in these difficult times.
The E12 and E28 do have some less high profile motorsport history.
The E12 was used for production based group 1 racing in Europe including winning the Spa 24 hours in 1977.
There were also a very small number of group 2 cars later in the 70's.
https://www.racingsp...530i.html?cat=4
The E28 was used in group A for around a year before the arrival into the class of the 635.
https://www.racingsp...528i.html?cat=4
I would like to see a 1/18th scale model of the '77 Spa winner to add to my small collection of these cars.
Even the E3 had some motor racing, mostly in pure production racing in the early 70's.

Thank you, I enjoy you little nuggets of information. I knew there were some early 5-series racers, but I was mostly saying this about 5-series in general. Obviously as the car got bigger and heavier, using it in motorsport was absurd, so nobody did it.
BMW were slow in homologating the 635 into group A because they thought it would be too heavy to be truly competitive.
I know I'm jumping the gun slightly, but can you believe BMW didn't think they could sell 5000 M635i versions with the 24 valve engine?   :dunno:


Not sure about espionage, but yeah, they have been releasing similar models. Maybe just market research? :)
BMW used to be a small company back then still. E24 was a bold new design, so I'm sure there were some uncertainties involved.

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Loving the 2nd part of BMW history on E12 :eusa_clap: Yes you are right about MCG will be releasing the normal version of E12 and I think i will be in line to get one. I was thrilled when Ottomobile announced the E12 535i years ago and got one the moment they came out. Norev released the diecast version afterward. I am always curious to know if the Norev one shares the same mould as Ottomobile or both are built from ground up. Not sure if resin mold can be re-used for diecast or not though... I thought of that because it appears that Norev released a number of identical models that were initially made by Ottomobile one of the model came to mind is the Merc C123 coupe.


Either great minds think alike, or there has been some industrial espionage. :yahoo:

i dont mind it either way as long as that creates competitions among them makers.. thus better quality lower price and of cos more options for us consumers to choose from.. :giggle:  :yahoo:

That's the thing - the competition doesn't have to do much better if all they have to beat is a crappy sealed diecast or a mediocre resin model. I might be sounding bitter, but I didn't start collecting this big scale to have essentially equivalents of blown-up 1:43 models on my shelves. Its frustrating at times.

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Posted 14 April 2020 - 03:25 PM

Breathtaking models and photography. What a collection! The E12 5 series are my favourites. I remember loving my old 1/25 scale Polistic BMW E12 model which looks terrible by today's standards, but back in the 1970s, it was all you can have.

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View Postkitefighter, on 14 April 2020 - 03:25 PM, said:

Breathtaking models and photography. What a collection! The E12 5 series are my favourites. I remember loving my old 1/25 scale Polistic BMW E12 model which looks terrible by today's standards, but back in the 1970s, it was all you can have.

I didn't even know Polistil made an E12 in 1/24th! Very cool.
Thank you!

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Posted 18 April 2020 - 06:16 AM

View Posts52z3mc, on 15 April 2020 - 06:43 AM, said:

View Postkitefighter, on 14 April 2020 - 03:25 PM, said:

Breathtaking models and photography. What a collection! The E12 5 series are my favourites. I remember loving my old 1/25 scale Polistic BMW E12 model which looks terrible by today's standards, but back in the 1970s, it was all you can have.

I didn't even know Polistil made an E12 in 1/24th! Very cool.
Thank you!

The most striking feature of the BMW styling of that era was the aggressive shark nose styling from Albert Goetz for BMW. It has taken model manufacturers decades to fully realise that look and the hooded front lights. An illustration of how poorly executed this was can be seen from the 1/25 scale Polistil E12 BMW 525 in the 1970s.

https://www.carmodel...-high-box/10721

The models you have beautifully presented (the pictures are works of art and I keep looking at them) are collector models, not toys made from state of the art technology more than 40 years later and they all look gorgeous.

I have the AUTOart E28
https://www.flickr.c...157713939819337


but the E12 is my favourite, particularly in those memorable Alpina liveries. I probably can't afford one of these pieces however, so will just look at your lovely pictures for now.

Thanks for taking so much time and effort to share them. Thread of the year so far!

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Posted 18 April 2020 - 06:29 AM

To be fair to Polistil, I think model cars of those years were seen as toys to be thrashed by young hands.
Accuracy wasn't really so important to a child.
Same for the early bBurago stuff.
It was really only with the arrival of the big hitters in the late 90's that it blossomed into what we know today.
Any value they have is in the rarity of undamaged survivors.

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Posted 26 April 2020 - 11:06 AM

Any new stories? :lurker:

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Any new stories? :lurker:

Stories...I've got stories, sure. :)
It just takes a long time to put stuff like this together. There will be next installment - I just don't know when I will have the time to take pix, and clean them up (each pic is probably 400-500 clicks post process). I have most of the text written up, but still hunting for some models to make the lists complete. So, in a nutshell - its not that easy. But stay tuned :)

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Posted 01 May 2020 - 06:21 AM

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View Post. . ., on 26 April 2020 - 11:06 AM, said:

Any new stories? :lurker:

Stories...I've got stories, sure. :)
It just takes a long time to put stuff like this together. There will be next installment - I just don't know when I will have the time to take pix, and clean them up (each pic is probably 400-500 clicks post process). I have most of the text written up, but still hunting for some models to make the lists complete. So, in a nutshell - its not that easy. But stay tuned :)
I am patiently waiting for the next instalment.
E30?

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View Posts52z3mc, on 30 April 2020 - 05:21 PM, said:

View Post. . ., on 26 April 2020 - 11:06 AM, said:

Any new stories? :lurker:

Stories...I've got stories, sure. :)
It just takes a long time to put stuff like this together. There will be next installment - I just don't know when I will have the time to take pix, and clean them up (each pic is probably 400-500 clicks post process). I have most of the text written up, but still hunting for some models to make the lists complete. So, in a nutshell - its not that easy. But stay tuned :)
I am patiently waiting for the next instalment.
E30?

E30 is a VERY voluminous chapter - close to 80 models, it will take probably 7-8 installments to cover it all. I'm missing a model to start on E30 chapter. I can't find it anywhere, and I would appreciate if anyone has a lead to acquire it at a reasonable price - Ottomobile Aplina C2 in grey. i somehow missed it, and now all I can find is a $200 from France, and I'm not ready pay that for a $60 model :) I'd still pay a fair price, though.

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Posted 06 May 2020 - 12:33 PM

You are buying all models in all colors? I was doing that with OTTO Alpina and BMW but then at one point I have stop buying resine (and sealed models) so I stopped. I was feeling like it was money draining machine and etc. Not to start to brag again.
Take your time, so far whatever you wrote it was nice to read :)

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Posted 07 May 2020 - 09:39 AM

 . . ., on 06 May 2020 - 12:33 PM, said:

You are buying all models in all colors? I was doing that with OTTO Alpina and BMW but then at one point I have stop buying resine (and sealed models) so I stopped. I was feeling like it was money draining machine and etc. Not to start to brag again.
Take your time, so far whatever you wrote it was nice to read :)

I'm not buying all models in all colors - but I do buy every variant/version of a car (i.e, if the model is released in 5 different colors, I will only buy one, but if the same model is released with different set of wheels, or some other element that is different from original release - I do buy it). If the same model is made by a different company (both AUTOart and Minichamps, for example) I get both as well. I'm a completist, and I have 99% of EVERYTHING BMW released in 1/18 scale, with few exceptions. Those being the models I'm still yet to acquire (some older ones are tough to find and some are just outrageously expensive), and some that (admittedly, by my own subjective standards) don't deem to be worthy of a name 'model car' - some crude toys of the past that don't have any resemblance with the actual car, or junk from companies like early Bburago, Maisto, Motormax, Welly, Anson etc.

With race cars - it gets even tougher - every livery is unique, and as such, I do collect every variant of the same car in every livery. With E30 for example, that makes close to 65 models of just M3 from different manufacturers. Its a mini collection in itself, and at some point I'll have to make a choice whether I want to do that. Latest propensity of companies like Minichamps to release 20 sealed variants of the same car is getting hard on the valet, display space, and honestly - kills the excitement about getting a new model car.

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Posted 07 May 2020 - 09:54 AM

65 x E30 M3 race variants?
Gulp!
I feel guilty with about six of them.....

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