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#1 OFFLINE   Quant

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Posted 27 July 2020 - 07:05 AM

As there is a lot of knowledge and experience on this forum, I was wondering what you think is the best, or let's us say - your top-3 'best' - Porsche 917 scale model in 1:18 (from across both the Kurz and LangHeck versions and all the different scale model brands) ?

I know there is a huge number of manufacturers of 917 models, such as:

Amalgam (1970 Porsche 917K)
  • (M6012) Porsche 917K 4.5L - Gulf-Porsche / Team John Wyer Automotive Engineering - Car #2 - Winner of 24hrs of Daytona 1970 - Drivers: P. Rodriguez / L. Kinnunen / B. Redman
  • As well as their currently being released 'weathered version' of it
AUTOart (1970-71 Porsche 917K + 917LH)
  • (MAP02102008) Porsche 917K - Team Porsche Konstruktionen Salzburg - Car #23 - Winner 24hrs of Le Mans 1970 - Hans Herrmann / Richard Attwood - PORSCHE MUSEUM EDITION
  • (87086) Porsche 917K - Team Porsche-Audi - Car #16 @ 12hrs of Sebring 1970 - Elford / Ahrens
  • (80035) Porsche 917K - Team Martini Racing - Car #2 @ 6h Kyalami 1970 - Siffert / Ahrens
  • (87182) Porsche 917K - Team Martini Racing - Car #4 @ 24hrs of Daytona 1971 - Vic Elford / Gijs van Lennep
  • (WAP02102019) Porsche 917K - Team Martini Racing - Car #3 - Winner 12hrs of Sebring 1971 - Vic Elford / Gérard Larrousse
  • (80030) Porsche 917K - Team Gulf - Car #20 @ 24hrs of Le Mans 1971 - Steve McQueen
  • (87183) Porsche 917K - Team Gulf - Car #20 @ 24hrs of Le Mans 1971 - Steve McQueen - TV SERIES box
  • (87075 / WAP02100818) Porsche 917LH 4.5L - Team Martini Racing International - Car #3 - 2nd at 24hrs of Le Mans 1970 - Gérard Larrousse / Willi Kauhsen
  • (87082) Porsche 917LH 4.9L - Team Porsche Konstruktionen Salzburg - Car #25 at 24hrs of Le Mans 1970 - Vic Elford / Kurt Ahrens, Jr.(Pole Position, but DNF)
  • (87170) Porsche 917LH 4.9L - Team Gulf-Porsche / John Wyer Automotive Engineering Ltd. - Car #17 at 24hrs of Le Mans 1971 - Jo Siffert / Derek Bell (DNF)
  • (87171) Porsche 917LH 4.9L - Team Martini Racing - Car #21 at 24hrs of Le Mans 1971 - Vic Elford / Gérard Larrousse (DNF)
BBR (1969 Porsche 917 LH)
  • (BBRC1833A) Porsche 917LH - Geneve Motor Show 1969 (the green/white 917 version) - limited to 200 units
  • (BBRC1833B) Porsche 917LH 4.5L - Team Porsche System Engineering - Car #12 @ 24hrs of Le Mans 1969 - Vic Elford / Richard Attwood (DNF) - limited to 200 units
  • (BBRC1833C) Porsche 917LH 4.5L - Team Porsche System Engineering - Car #14 @ 24hrs of Le Mans 1969 - Rolf Stommelen / Kurt Ahrens Jr. (DNF) - limited to 200 units
  • (BBRC1833D) Porsche 917LH 4.5L - Team Porsche System Engineering - Car #15 @ 24hrs of Le Mans 1969 - Herbert Linge / Brian Redman / Rudi Lins (DNS) - limited to 200 units
  • (BBRC1833E) Porsche 917LH 4.5L - Team John Woolfe Racing - Car #10 @ 24hrs of Le Mans 1969 - John Woolfe / Herbert Linge (DNF) - limited to 200 units
  • (BBRC1833F) Porsche 917LH - Gulf-Porsche press car 1969 - limited to 290 units
  • (BBRC1833ST) Porsche 917LH - White body 1969 - limited to 40 units
Exoto - Racing Legends collection (1973-1975 Porsche 917/30)
  • (RLG18182 / RLG18188 / RLG18188FLXS) 1973 Exoto Porsche 917/30 - Winner 1973 Road America Can-Am - Mark Donohue
  • (RLG18185) 1974 Exoto Porsche 917/30-006 - Vasek Polak / Bosch
  • (RLG18189 / RLG18184) 1975 Exoto Porsche 917/30 - CAM2 Motor Oil - 1975 World's Closed Course Speed Record Talladega Superspeedway - Mark Donohue
Fronti-Art
  • (F018-7) Porsche 917K - Green 1971 press car (#7) - limited to 139 units
  • (F018-2 or F018-21 ?) Porsche 917K - Team John Wyer Automotive / Gulf - Car #2 - Winner of the Monza 1000 Kilometres 1971 - Pedro Rodríguez / Jackie Oliver - limited to 139 units
  • (F018-6 of F018-23 ?) Porsche 917K - Team Porsche Konstruktionen Salzburg - Car #23 - Winner 24hrs of Le Mans 1970 - Hans Herrmann / Richard Attwood

And then there are of course a whole lot more from Minichamps (seach on Minichamps.de shows 24 different 1:18 models), Norev, Schuco, CMR, Spark, TSM, Universal Hobbies, ...., but I have not listed those as I don't consider them on the same 'high-end level' compared to the five brands above (stating this at the risk of 1. being corrected  :rolleyes: and 2. receiving a ****-storm :occasion14: )

And because I'm lazy, I'm not referring to those Model Factory Hiro model kits

But what you see as the top-3 'best' (which you may interpret in different ways, such as: most accurate / most beautiful / most 'collectable' / ....) 1:18 Porsche 917 models ?

Looking forward to hearing (reading) you views

Edited by Quant, 27 July 2020 - 07:19 AM.


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Posted 27 July 2020 - 07:15 AM

The Exoto Can-Am Donohue one was my favourite personally. A car like the 917 is full of detail and obviously whoever will demonstrate the tubular frame, the flat 12 and all of its associated pluming the best, will take the cake. If I had to pick a second place, I'd go for one of the Minichamps models, as the Autoart is severely lacking in detail and is a very very old model, so they still used decals as opposed to tampos. I'm guessing Amalgam is good, but the whole thing is plastic and so is all of the detail. They could have at least done leather seats for $10-15K. I can't comment on any of the sealed brands

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and a pic just for fun with the TSM 936

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Edited by StratosWRC, 27 July 2020 - 09:48 AM.

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Posted 27 July 2020 - 07:39 AM

I have the Minichamps Sunoco 917/30 and it will do me.
I assume the Eoxto is as good as claimed (assuming no paint or rot issues) but I couldn't afford one at the time, and they are stratospheric even second hand.
My Minichamps has no such issues, and it came in a nice display setup.
Crucially, I am happy with the shape, something even expensive brands often get wrong (on all subjects - not just the 917).

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Posted 27 July 2020 - 09:39 AM

This has got to be it in my opinion! The detail and feel of engineering is just stunning! I'm sorry I let this one go but it didn't fit in my collection focus!

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Posted 27 July 2020 - 02:00 PM

In terms of quality and detail the Exoto's 917 clearly are the best you can find. :agreed:

But for me the most important aspect of a model is the beauty of the car and how the model can reflect this.
IMO the 917K is a prefect beauty - so the only question left would be: Which livery?

Personally I really like the Gulf and Martini liveries but I love the red/white Porsche Salzburg Le Mans winner of 1970. :drool5:
Best model in the market is probably the old AUTOart - from today's perspective not really convincing w.r.t. detailing but fully opening.
Glad to say that in this case I didn't miss the train (as so often) and grabbed one years ago for small money...  :rolleyes:

Edited by vulpex, 27 July 2020 - 02:01 PM.


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Posted 27 July 2020 - 10:24 PM

I have to back up the Exoto lovers - no question, really, since it has less plastic and far more detail than any of the others. But you can't really go wrong with either an AUTOart 917 (I personally love the 1971 Gulf 917LH) or a Minichamps one. AUTOart has more of the Le Mans/World Sportscar Championship varieties whereas Minichamps focused more on the Can-Am/Interserie 917/10 - 20 variants.

Just decide if you are willing to sacrifice opening features because the recent Minichamps releases, though still diecast, are all sealed. For full-featured versions, you have to go for the older (and consequently more expensive) variants.

My favorites by each - AUTOart:

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Minichamps:

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Exoto (my only 917 by them):

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Edited by Jersey_Devil, 27 July 2020 - 10:27 PM.

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Posted 28 July 2020 - 06:21 AM

View PostGuiddy, on 27 July 2020 - 09:39 AM, said:

This has got to be it in my opinion! The detail and feel of engineering is just stunning! I'm sorry I let this one go but it didn't fit in my collection focus!

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And what about your top-3 ?


Following on from the comments made by Vulpex and Jersey, I fully agree that manufacturing & detail-wise - Exoto's 917/30 is far above any of the others...
... but I still just can't make that justify the look, especially the side view:

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It's really a case of 'function over form' - which is of course what those cars are all about...

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Posted 28 July 2020 - 06:50 AM

Am I seeing things, or does the Exoto look shorter than the Minichamps?
And with a more generous ride height?
With bodywork that doesn't seem to fit too well?

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Posted 28 July 2020 - 08:11 AM

View Postslartibartfast229, on 28 July 2020 - 06:50 AM, said:

Am I seeing things, or does the Exoto look shorter than the Minichamps?
And with a more generous ride height?
With bodywork that doesn't seem to fit too well?

I believe the Minichamps is a 917/10 and the Exoto is a 917/30, slightly longer and different aero it seems. The bodywork needs to be finagled into place a bit. The ride height could have been lower but it seems to vary depending on which pics of the 1:1 (and from what year vs museum) you're looking at.
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Posted 28 July 2020 - 08:30 AM

Side image for comparison.
Each viewer can decide which is more accurate.   :twocents:

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Posted 28 July 2020 - 08:37 AM

Apart from the ride height, looks the same to me :dunno:
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Posted 28 July 2020 - 08:45 AM

Here's the 1:1 917 with a pretty floaty ride height

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here's the exoto again

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I already see one inaccuracy on the Minichamps with the rear wing mounting holes, whereas the exoto has them in the correct places

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Posted 28 July 2020 - 12:16 PM

The nose of the Exoto looks wrong compared to the 1:1.

Here just one pic to show what I was trying to say before about the 917K:
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Posted 28 July 2020 - 12:35 PM

View Postvulpex, on 28 July 2020 - 12:16 PM, said:

The nose of the Exoto looks wrong compared to the 1:1.


nope, photos taken from different angles, plus the exoto has the mesh protecting the radiator and that 1:1 doesn't - probably cause it's a museum car or something

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Posted 28 July 2020 - 12:45 PM

The only true comparison between the model and 917/30 is using photos of the car as raced in period.
And the Penske/Donohue combination were forever making changes to race cars.
Also - there are photos around showing a Sunoco 917/30 with a modified 917/20 nose fitted.
Check these out.
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Posted 28 July 2020 - 12:46 PM

yeah and I noticed in some photos it has a slight flaring around the front wheelarch and lip, while in others it doesn't, which leads me to believe the Minichamps and Exoto were based on different builds.
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Posted 29 July 2020 - 01:30 PM

The Sunoco Exoto car still looks great ! I wish I had one!

The AUTOart 917's are nice, I've got six of them but they are getting on a bit now and prices are probably the highest they've ever been.

If you want to buy a lot of Gulf 917 models for budget money, look into the CMR ones, they make virtually ever one you could ever want. They are sealed though.

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Posted 29 July 2020 - 01:43 PM

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View Postslartibartfast229, on 28 July 2020 - 06:50 AM, said:

Am I seeing things, or does the Exoto look shorter than the Minichamps?
And with a more generous ride height?
With bodywork that doesn't seem to fit too well?

I believe the Minichamps is a 917/10 and the Exoto is a 917/30, slightly longer and different aero it seems. The bodywork needs to be finagled into place a bit. The ride height could have been lower but it seems to vary depending on which pics of the 1:1 (and from what year vs museum) you're looking at.

Exactly right, Wes. The Minichamps 917/10 is the Penske L&M car driven to the 1972 Can-Am Championship by George Follmer (after Mark Donohue broke his leg). Here's a pic of the model out of its box (from diecast.org):

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And, yes, I deliberately didn't try to force the body on my Sunoco 917/30 so it's a little out-of-place and high; others may have experienced that too...
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Posted 30 July 2020 - 01:57 AM

I don't have 917, but I would go for full opening + beauty = AUTOart 917 short or long tail.
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