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#1 Guest_Ben Pratt_*

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Posted 03 November 2003 - 09:42 PM

Have just lowered my 2003 Ford Thunderbird

I cut the front springs in half and then put thme back in.

It doesnt have the massive toe problem found on other models once they are lowered

The back is a different story as it rubs if you change the suspension setup so its gonna have a high back

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Posted 03 November 2003 - 10:59 PM

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Have just lowered my 2003 Ford Thunderbird

I cut the front springs in half and then put thme back in.
Wow, that sounds like a big drop.  I bet it looks relly good now. Do you have before/after pics to post?

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It doesnt have the massive toe problem found on other models once they are lowered
Do other cars tend to toe in from a drop?  I only car I've dropped was a Maisto Cobra R.  I cut off 2 to 2.5 coils from the front/rear springs.  It sits okay without any fender rub unless I push down on it slightly.  Mustangs tend to have unsightly fender well gaps.
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Posted 03 November 2003 - 11:14 PM

wat's the meaning of toe in car terms :? , I will mod a maisto and lowering it will be one of the mods so it would be really helpful if someone told me

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Posted 04 November 2003 - 07:55 AM

Here's a picture to illustrate the front wheels being toed-in:

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Toe-in means the wheels don't point perfectly straight but point "inwards".  On real cars, they don't anyway as they usually have a slight bit or toe-in.  Each car has a different specification on the angle (+/-) which the wheels are to be toed.
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Posted 04 November 2003 - 08:20 AM

Here's another illustration on toe-in and toe-out.

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and here's one for camber
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Posted 04 November 2003 - 08:42 AM

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Are those the first CAD pics of Schumachers 2004 Ferrari?
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Posted 04 November 2003 - 08:46 AM

Yeah almost all the models that I have tried lowering have had some form of wheel angle change due to the fact that the car has been lowered and also because when you tighten the screws bsck up it takes thepickup points with it.

As described in the posts as to what happens thats wxactly what mine has done (but only slightly)as I have placed the two halves of the spring either side of the mount point for the steering

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Posted 04 November 2003 - 05:20 PM

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Have just lowered my 2003 Ford Thunderbird

I cut the front springs in half and then put thme back in.

It doesnt have the massive toe problem found on other models once they are lowered

The back is a different story as it rubs if you change the suspension setup so its gonna have a high back
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Posted 04 November 2003 - 06:42 PM

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Here's another illustration on toe-in and toe-out.

and here's one for camber
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Nice pics Eric. Just to add a couple words to the top two pics:

top-left: both wheels have positive camber
top-right: both wheels have negative camber
other 4 pics: I have no idea when to use these setups.  :?
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Posted 05 November 2003 - 12:50 AM

thanks SM and and Eric for ur info,
                                                  I learn't a fair bit. btw, I took the springs out of my maisto bel air to see what it looked like and there was no change in toe or camber but  the fornt of the car was higher than the rear ( i think it was something to do with the rear wheel wells)

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Posted 05 November 2003 - 10:17 PM

My mate has just lowered all of his models and they look really good down low.

One thing though Youve got to make sure you make the lowering even

I am now going to try swapping the rims off the Prowler on to the RT Charger (The American wersion) coz it looks cool with the big rims on the back and littles on the front. The modern wheels really suit the car.

Ive got top remove some plastic to fir the rims under the back end of theis one though so it might be a while before I get it done.

Also do any of the Australian members know of a cheap Proiwle that I can scab the wheels off?

I dont want to wreck the one ive got now as I quite like it.

Are there many models with bigger back wheels than the front? (other thant the Prowler)

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Posted 05 November 2003 - 11:24 PM

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other 4 pics: I have no idea when to use these setups.  :?

Perhaps the other settings are for oval racing where cars just goes around in circles turning in the same direction. My guess.

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Posted 06 November 2003 - 12:05 AM

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My mate has just lowered all of his models and they look really good down low.

One thing though Youve got to make sure you make the lowering even

I am now going to try swapping the rims off the Prowler on to the RT Charger (The American wersion) coz it looks cool with the big rims on the back and littles on the front. The modern wheels really suit the car.

Ive got top remove some plastic to fir the rims under the back end of theis one though so it might be a while before I get it done.

Also do any of the Australian members know of a cheap Proiwle that I can scab the wheels off?

I dont want to wreck the one ive got now as I quite like it.

Are there many models with bigger back wheels than the front? (other thant the Prowler)

I think Bburago does 1/18 prowlers, as 4 bigger wheels do you mean in diameter or width?

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Posted 06 November 2003 - 07:29 AM

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One thing though Youve got to make sure you make the lowering even
I snip off the springs a 1/2 coil at a time.  Why?  Because I use the end of the spring as my reference point & it's pretty easy to eye-ball the point diametrically opposite to the end.
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Posted 07 November 2003 - 07:27 AM

Width and diameter.

The one that I have now has smaller diameter and width wheels on the front and larger width and diameter on the back.

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Posted 04 January 2004 - 11:01 AM

here is a pic of the lowered Thunderbird Its not real flash in these photos as it needs a good clean but its here anyway

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Posted 04 January 2004 - 07:21 PM

nice T bird Ben,
                       low front gives it an agressive look



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