

Chaparral Cars, Inc. vs Exoto, Inc.
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Posted 03 April 2010 - 08:02 AM
On Feb. 26 of this year a Judge issued a "Final Judgment" (same Cause #)in favor of Chap. Cars. Inc, for the payment of $600,000 in royalty interest, plus $1.8 million in exemplary damages. It is my understanding that this has not been finalized on the judgment, and it is possible that Exoto may appeal. I also understand that this does not give any indication that Exoto will stop future productions of Chaparral cars. This is just to inform the Exoto community of what possibilities the future holds.
If you have preordered the 2J, and Exoto has already taken your money, then you may have to do some sole searching on what to do. You might call Exoto, but not sure what kind of answer you might get from them.
In my opinion, this situation only shows that its not just how Exoto has treated customers through the years, but really shows just how Tony and Co. run their operations.(i.e. Ferrari S.P.A. vs Exoto,Inc.) It is a shame that such beautiful cars can come from a not so honest operation.
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Posted 03 April 2010 - 12:02 PM

I am glad I got out of the Exoto Ponzie scheme a long time ago. The "I'd gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today" scam is over.
It also explains the barrage of emails I get from Exoto. They need cash pronto!
Jim Hall should just demand the molds and start or give them to a diecast co that cares about the hobby.
Where is it written that the more diecast $$$ equals a better diecast?
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Posted 03 April 2010 - 03:29 PM
acisne, on 03 April 2010 - 12:02 PM, said:
Jim Hall should just demand the molds and start or give them to a diecast co that cares about the hobby.
Hmm...GMP Chaparrals? THAT would be interesting!
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Posted 03 April 2010 - 04:37 PM
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Posted 03 April 2010 - 05:31 PM
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Posted 03 April 2010 - 06:57 PM
No matter what you think Exoto has done this hobby some good. They have helped raise the quality and accuracy of die cast models to beyond what most people thought possible. They get singled out for more bashing than what they desirve and have done nothing that any other company have not done. I think the hobby will be just that little bit worse off with out them. Now whens the next sale start!
Edited by Super Snail, 03 April 2010 - 07:04 PM.
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Posted 03 April 2010 - 08:11 PM
I strongly, but respectfully, disagree with you, Super Snail. Exoto deserves every bit of criticism for their shady practices - and the same goes for all of the other fly-by-night die-cast manufacturers. Just because they turn out a quality product doesn't mean they have contributed to this hobby. What good is a product if the manufacturer is not true to its loyal customers. If anything at all, Exoto has attempted to monopolize this hobby at our expense! They are only hurting this hobby! Not to mention us hobbyists who, like a bunch of freaking lemmings, keep thoughtlessly giving them our hard-earned money!
While they may turn out some of the greatest replicas, Exoto is greedy and dishonest. This isn't just my opinion flushing out here. Feel free to call up Exoto Inc. and ask their associates what they think of the company's ethics and practices - they won't hold back. Last time I talked to a customer service rep who we all know and love (and who I won't mention her name) at Exoto, she was eagerly anticipating a job change because she couldn't take it any more! I only hope that the new job worked out for her and that she was able to escape before Exoto goes bust. I feel really sorry for the rest of those employees as well - they deserve better.
While I don't wish harm to the good people at Exoto, perhaps it's for the best if Tony K. and his brother do get their hands caught in the cookie jar. Maybe, just maybe, if they are forced to be accountable for their actions then we will not only get an incredible replica, but a reputable company to go along with it. But for now, Exoto could care less about this hobby - so I say, "To Hell with Exoto."

Edited by Biblitect, 03 April 2010 - 09:42 PM.
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Posted 03 April 2010 - 11:50 PM
I do feel sorry for the employees they could be facing losing there jobs at a time when it hard to come across another all because of greed yes but not just on Exoto's part.But that down to the lawers not us to decide. I just disagree with your side of the argument as much as you do with mine but that life we stil collectors of diecast after all.
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Posted 04 April 2010 - 05:18 AM
Does the price from a current Exoto model include any parts for a claim for compensation?

Is this the reason, why the Ferraris in 1/18 are to buy for 500 or 600 USD??? https://www.diecastxchange.com/forum1/public/style_emoticons/default/dizzy.gif
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Posted 04 April 2010 - 05:50 AM
Super Snail, on 03 April 2010 - 11:50 PM, said:
I guess I just don't buy the argument that essentially says, "Because all the other companies are doing it, then it's alright for Exoto to do it too." Why should loyal hobbyists like us settle for mediocre (or less) business practices from any of the big-name companies?
I still hold strong to the fact that a business must have good ethics as well as a good product in order to succeed. Moreover, I still feel that this hobby could use responsible hobbyists who don't give their money away to irresponsible companies.

Edited by Biblitect, 04 April 2010 - 05:06 PM.
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Posted 04 April 2010 - 01:30 PM
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Posted 04 April 2010 - 04:42 PM
Super Snail, on 04 April 2010 - 01:30 PM, said:
I would define a responsible hobbyist as: a collector who desires ethical business practices as well as quality products from manufacturers - without compromise. Thus, companies involved in this hobby either prosper or fail due to their relationship (or lack thereof) with the hobbyists.
I would define a loyal hobbyist as: a collector who is faithful to the hobby they pursue, whereby they desire to ensure its longevity by continual support. Thus, the companies involved in this hobby honor their contributors with ethical business practices and quality products to ensure long-term customers.
Ultimately, I would suggest that both of these definitions are key components of every collector (and are one in the same to some extent).

Edited by Biblitect, 04 April 2010 - 04:45 PM.
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Posted 06 April 2010 - 12:21 AM
Edited by Super Snail, 06 April 2010 - 12:23 AM.
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Posted 13 April 2010 - 08:24 PM

Edited by Biblitect, 14 April 2010 - 03:04 AM.
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Posted 13 April 2010 - 09:26 PM
I don't have the time or interest in typing a long post and I'm sure no one has any interest in reading it. So I will just say that there are alot of assholes in this business and even a few criminals. I hope the right thing happens, I hope Chaparral gets paid by this deadbeat company, I hope everyone who was cheated by Exoto gets their stolen money back and I hope diecast businesses who are bad for this hobby are gone before the year is up.
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Posted 14 April 2010 - 12:34 AM
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Posted 01 May 2019 - 02:47 PM
Obviously, since pictures were posted on Exoto's website, at least a few of the 2D models were manufactured. And on a die cast website that I no longer remember, someone posted that they were able to somehow purchase a "pre production" model of the Exoto 2D. They even posted a picture of it. Having said that, did Jim Hall's law suit prevent Exoto from selling ANY 2Ds at all, or just prevent their sale in America?
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Posted 02 May 2019 - 12:38 PM
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Posted 04 May 2019 - 01:24 PM
I have heard so many horror stories about Exoto, I only got my Exotos direct from them and I guess I was just lucky to have had no issues with them and it is a shame for everyone because many of the models are very good and basically unique and not modeled by anyone else, the prices of them now even when on sale are mind blowing though, I always wanted one of the Rolls Royce Phantom Dropheads and just looking they are still not released.
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Posted 06 May 2019 - 09:46 PM
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