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#1 OFFLINE   XDRIFTARTX

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 06:00 AM

Hi DX,i have one question about the roll cage,how can i make it?what material i need to use?  :lol:

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 08:56 AM

View PostXDRIFTARTX, on 29 January 2013 - 06:00 AM, said:

Hi DX,i have one question about the roll cage,how can i make it?what material i need to use?  :lol:

There are frequently kits for sale on eBay, as well as entire interiors from models that have them originally.  I've got several on the shelf, if you would like one.

Can you give me a little more information on what you are going to be putting it into?

Here's a simple roll bar install I did recently that started with one of the kits:

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 10:13 AM

View Postibj40, on 29 January 2013 - 08:56 AM, said:

View PostXDRIFTARTX, on 29 January 2013 - 06:00 AM, said:

Hi DX,i have one question about the roll cage,how can i make it?what material i need to use?  :lol:

There are frequently kits for sale on eBay, as well as entire interiors from models that have them originally.  I've got several on the shelf, if you would like one.

Can you give me a little more information on what you are going to be putting it into?

Here's a simple roll bar install I did recently that started with one of the kits:

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want to make it myself  :occasion14:
i want to put it on shelby series 1 (im making dragster from that car)

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 12:56 PM

Get some styrene rods (3-4mm) and some poly cement, also get a small round file.  The styrene is a type of plastic so when you cut the length, cut it slightly long and file the edge into a curve so it sits nicely against the other piece, then cement the two together.

Best to make a mock up using some stiff wire first so you get a rough idea of the size and I find its easier to work moulding it into the shell, rather than trying to fit it on the interior and shell over the top, if you know what I mean ?

Styrene can be bent using heat and will hold solid in position once it cools.

Hope that helps and doesn't confuse !!

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 03:36 AM

I suggest you check out some 1:25th plastic kit websites like scaleauto.com as there are lots of tutorials on making roll cages. Try briansmodelcars.com too

Edited by Nocky, 30 January 2013 - 03:38 AM.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 05:48 AM

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 08:29 AM

Go to Home Depot to their fence section (normally in the garden yard). Look for a little bag of aluminum fence ties....normally about $3.00 for the whole bag of like 25 ties.  They bend easily and hold form once bent which can help when form the hoop bars.  While your there, grab some Gorilla Glue super glue.  Sets up quickly (somewhat) and is rock solid once cured.  after roll cage is done and set up, scuff/sand the joints, and paint.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 12:32 PM

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 12:38 PM

View PostNova, on 30 January 2013 - 08:29 AM, said:

Go to Home Depot to their fence section (normally in the garden yard). Look for a little bag of aluminum fence ties....normally about $3.00 for the whole bag of like 25 ties.  They bend easily and hold form once bent which can help when form the hoop bars.  While your there, grab some Gorilla Glue super glue.  Sets up quickly (somewhat) and is rock solid once cured.  after roll cage is done and set up, scuff/sand the joints, and paint.

Great idea.  Wonder if the wire can be soldered ??  Might look into this.  Styrene is quite expensive for what you get.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 11:31 PM

View PostNova, on 30 January 2013 - 08:29 AM, said:

Go to Home Depot to their fence section (normally in the garden yard). Look for a little bag of aluminum fence ties....normally about $3.00 for the whole bag of like 25 ties.  They bend easily and hold form once bent which can help when form the hoop bars.  While your there, grab some Gorilla Glue super glue.  Sets up quickly (somewhat) and is rock solid once cured.  after roll cage is done and set up, scuff/sand the joints, and paint.

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Good to see you back Nova! Love your cars! The fence ties...can you explain a bit more about them? Are they a tube or solid? You certainly put them to good use!

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 01:15 AM

View PostB1N9S, on 30 January 2013 - 12:38 PM, said:

View PostNova, on 30 January 2013 - 08:29 AM, said:

Go to Home Depot to their fence section (normally in the garden yard). Look for a little bag of aluminum fence ties....normally about $3.00 for the whole bag of like 25 ties.  They bend easily and hold form once bent which can help when form the hoop bars.  While your there, grab some Gorilla Glue super glue.  Sets up quickly (somewhat) and is rock solid once cured.  after roll cage is done and set up, scuff/sand the joints, and paint.

Great idea.  Wonder if the wire can be soldered ??  Might look into this.  Styrene is quite expensive for what you get.

I tried soldering some copper tubes but the heat is transmidded too easy through the pipes and earlier soldered parts came loose again. I recon aluminium will have the same problem.

The cage from Nova looks really good. It follows the curves of the dashboard very well. Nice!

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 12:52 PM

I like styrene as well i.c.w. polycement and lock files.
Used 4 rods of 2.4mm in my first attempt:

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 01:17 AM

Looks good for a first attempt! What's a "lock file" and what did you use it for?

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 12:04 PM

Thanks, will add the pics once i finish it (still not sure about how to paint & apply decals)
I used the file to get a proper radius to make the ends meet in the corners.
A file is what your missus uses to maintain her nails, i have a set used by lock makers and i am sure there is such a set for modelling as well :nice:

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 01:41 PM

View PostDolf Janson, on 01 February 2013 - 12:04 PM, said:

Thanks, will add the pics once i finish it (still not sure about how to paint & apply decals)
I used the file to get a proper radius to make the ends meet in the corners.
A file is what your missus uses to maintain her nails, i have a set used by lock makers and i am sure there is such a set for modelling as well :nice:

Ah I thought that's what you meant!

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 02:59 PM

View PostDolf Janson, on 31 January 2013 - 12:52 PM, said:

I like styrene as well i.c.w. polycement and lock files.
Used 4 rods of 2.4mm in my first attempt:

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Did you bend or radius any of the bars at the corners, such as the main roll-over hoop, or simply connect them with an angle cut?

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 12:56 AM

View PostNocky, on 30 January 2013 - 11:31 PM, said:

View PostNova, on 30 January 2013 - 08:29 AM, said:

Go to Home Depot to their fence section (normally in the garden yard). Look for a little bag of aluminum fence ties....normally about $3.00 for the whole bag of like 25 ties.  They bend easily and hold form once bent which can help when form the hoop bars.  While your there, grab some Gorilla Glue super glue.  Sets up quickly (somewhat) and is rock solid once cured.  after roll cage is done and set up, scuff/sand the joints, and paint.

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Good to see you back Nova! Love your cars! The fence ties...can you explain a bit more about them? Are they a tube or solid? You certainly put them to good use!
Hey Nocky, Good to see you as well, and thanks again for the compliments.  As for the fence ties.  They a simply aluminum ties that tie a chainlink fence to the top/bottom fence poles.  They are very easy to bend, and hold their shape when  bent.  Rather than having to cut and bond each and every "bar", these ties give you the ability to bend hoop bars and such.  They've always worked great for me, and are very cheap and easy to work with.  Any other questions, hit me up.  Take care.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 04:24 PM

View Postibj40, on 01 February 2013 - 02:59 PM, said:

View PostDolf Janson, on 31 January 2013 - 12:52 PM, said:

I like styrene as well i.c.w. polycement and lock files.
Used 4 rods of 2.4mm in my first attempt:



Did you bend or radius any of the bars at the corners, such as the main roll-over hoop, or simply connect them with an angle cut?

Only bends are in the main hoop and a-pillars to follow the shape of the body. Will add more pics once i find them.
Bends made by preheating the styrene over a candle, take it easy cause it'll become like chewing cum and collapse very easily!

For the connections, i cut the bars with a X-acto knife at the right angle (centerline) of the bar i want to connect it to, and then use a round file to give the same radius for a smooth contact for optimum gluewing surface.

Once done it is strong enough the lift the entire car by the cage.

Edited by Dolf Janson, 06 February 2013 - 04:26 PM.


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Posted 06 February 2013 - 11:47 PM

Hey Nova I got some of those fence ties! Got a bundle (heaps) for $5NZ - very cheap. Thanks for the tip!

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 06:09 PM

Here are some photos of the aluminum fence ties and some quick and dirty role cages I made last night...

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Because the ties are a bit thin for a role cage, I will make one using the tie inside a styrene plastic tube. I tried it last night and if you put the tie in the plastic tubing you can bend it and get it to hold its shape without any heat!

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 11:00 AM

View PostDolf Janson, on 06 February 2013 - 04:24 PM, said:

View Postibj40, on 01 February 2013 - 02:59 PM, said:

View PostDolf Janson, on 31 January 2013 - 12:52 PM, said:

I like styrene as well i.c.w. polycement and lock files.
Used 4 rods of 2.4mm in my first attempt:



Did you bend or radius any of the bars at the corners, such as the main roll-over hoop, or simply connect them with an angle cut?

Only bends are in the main hoop and a-pillars to follow the shape of the body. Will add more pics once i find them.
Bends made by preheating the styrene over a candle, take it easy cause it'll become like chewing cum and collapse very easily!

For the connections, i cut the bars with a X-acto knife at the right angle (centerline) of the bar i want to connect it to, and then use a round file to give the same radius for a smooth contact for optimum gluewing surface.

Once done it is strong enough the lift the entire car by the cage.

Sounds very much how we used to build the cages for our racers.  I prefer it when someone models as close to 1:1 as possible.  Would love to see some detailed shots.

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 04:16 AM

Just a quick update...

Here is a template I made from a plastic kit roll bar.

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After some fine tuning I ended up with this...

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And this (still a work in progress)

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 08:32 PM

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 12:46 AM

All of these look really good :) I would make one, but I used all of my styrene on a mock-up of a scratch built 1/24 Audi R18....  :wavetowel2: Might make a thread if I get any progress on it... I don't want to hijack this one :P

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