[gundam40]

Hiya all, I just picked up the 2003 AUTOart GT3 in red (pics tonight), but I've got a question regarding the differences between the GT3 and GT3RS.

What the heck is the difference? From the exterior, the rims look the same! Except for the colour of the rims, the stripe on the sides, and a slightly (very) different spoiler, aren't these cars exactly the same?

Looking at Luciano's great pics, the engine might be a tad different, are they?

Thanks for all your help, I'm just wondering if it's worth it to get the RS since I've got the GT3. :confused

On the topic of GT3's and stuff, can someone (Sir GAry!!!! :giggle) tell me the differences among the various GT3's? They've got the GT3, GT3R, GT3RS, GT3RSR... holy crap it's making me dizzy... ullhair

 

[Guest]

Ok Ill see if I can shed some light on this for you my young Padawan :giggle

GT3 - 1999 - 2001
3.6 Naturally aspirated 6 cylinder engine producing 360 bhp
weight 1360 kg
This is the origional GT3 developed from the Carrera for the intention of motorsport use . It is lighter and faster than other 996 models and was available as a "clubsport " version with added rollcage which meant it could be used in Motorsport as it came from the showroom .

GT3R - 2001
The GT3 R was simply the race version of the standard GT3 . It had body revisions to aid downforce on the race track (Rear wing and front spoiler ) and extended wheelarches to allow bigger wheels / brakes.

GT3 RS - 2003 - Present
3.6 Naturally aspirated 6 cylinder engine producing 380 bhp
weight 1360kg
The 911 GT3 RS is a homologation model intended to serve as a basis for motor sport activities in accordance with the new international GT rules. This is the roadcar version . Lighter and faster than the origional GT3.

GT3RSR - 2004
3.6 Naturally aspirated 6 cylinder engine producing 445 bhp
weight 1100kg
Based on the new road-going 911 GT3 RS, a particularly light and sporty version of the 911 which was presented to the public at the Frankfurt Motor Show (IAA), the GT3 RSR features improvements to its predecessor in all key areas. The vehicle is available in an ACO (Automobile Club de l`Ouest) version for competing in Le Mans and in the American Le Mans Series as well as in a FIA specification.
The 911 GT3 RSR features a modified front which improves downforce at the front axle and can be recognised from the GT3 R as it has a carbon fibre rear wing .

 

[gundam40]

wow, Sir Gary, Thanks for all that info! :woohoo

Now I understand the cars... whew.

But what about the 2002 onwards GT3? How are those different from the RS's?

I'm getting that RSR model when AUTOart releases it, it's so sexy...

 

[Guest]

I'll hold out for the GT3 RSRS... or maybe the RSRSR, I don't know :giggle

But seriously, I picked up the new AUTOart GT3 in silver... beautiful. Now I want the RS.

 

[gundam40]

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That's the same reason I was looking at the RS :giggle , cause I got a red GT3 yesterday.

If I can find it at a good price, I guess I'll pick up the red version, but the GT3R comes first. The RSR, according to Kev, is only avail from dealers first? Dealer ed means crazy pricing, so I guess I'll wait for standard release for that.

the problem with waiting for the AUTOart standard release RSR is that I'm afraid I won't get the "RSR" decals on the sides of the car... :confused

 

[Guest]

The RSR is a dealer release at first , but you would be suprised at the price Gary .

I have it on pre order at my dealers along with some other stuff , and it only costs £47 . Im not sure what the standard release will be , maybe £45 so theres not much in it , and personally I would pay the extra for the nicer packaging .
Plus you get to look at the real P cars whilst buying the model :giggle

The standard release RSR will come with the RSR stripes , Im sure .

and yes , you definately need this one :

 

[gundam40]

SIr Gary, do you have the part # for that RSR already? I should call my Porsche dealer here to see if they have it, and the price too...

 

[Guest]

ok, who makes this one.....and where can i get it?

 

[gundam40]

Autoart makes the RSR. Not out yet.

 

[Guest]

this one, sorry. i forot to past teh pic in :giggle

 

[gundam40]

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I think that's the real car? :confused

 

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There wasn't GT3 for 2002.

 

[gundam40]

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oh... what about the 2003 then? was it just exterior changes to the old GT3? or was the engine upgraded too? Dang that RSR is sooooooo nice

 

[Guest]

Gary , the 2003 GT3 and the GT3 RS are basically the same car on the outside , but the RS is lighter , faster , handles better and looks better than the standard GT3.

The RS is the car that all Motorsport 911`s are based on . It differs in that it has aerodynamic improvements above and below the surface and it is lighter than the standard GT3 . The road version of the RS has various technical features that will also appear on the race version, for example the complete wheel hub assemblies, divided front-and rear lateral suspension control arms, optimized rear-axle geometry, a special weight-saving rear window made of acrylic material and a carbon-fiber reinforced front hood and rear wing.

The RS uses ultra light engine components and also Carbon Fibre to help save weight .It is approx 110lbs lighter than the standard GT3 so it has a better power / weight ratio making it a faster car . It also comes with a roll bar as standard and is only available in 2 colours .
Basically its a street legal race car and from 0 to 62 mph the GT3 RS needs 4.4 seconds, and goes on to reach 124 mph in 14 seconds. Its top speed is 190 mph. This abundant power is transmitted via a close-ratio six-speed gearbox. Between the engine and the gearbox the RS has a single-mass flywheel with a lower rotating mass than the double-mass version.

 

[gundam40]

whoa, thanks for the detailed specs, Sir Gary!

Guess i'll have to pick up the RS as well... ARGH! :giggle

 

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2002 must have been a regrouping year for the Porsche brand as they laced up their boxing gloves and came out swinging.

The differences between the last 2001 GT3 and where they pickep up in 2003 was 20bwhp. I know there has been a lot of talk about whether that increase was actual bwhp, at the crank or factory rating. Eitherway, Porsche implemented a 20hp increase across the board.

The powertrains remained essentially the same at 3.6. The torque number was also increased which is expected on a car with increased power. Redline was also increased making the the later version a little rev happy.

The later versions also grew in length, height as well as wheelbase making them a bigger car by up to 2 inches in some areas. So the paower increase of 20hp was slightly off set.

The front lip on the later version was slightly different too. There is still some confusion on this as I have seen a few 2002 models with this lower lip. I am not100% sure without looking it up to see if that particular lip was an option or revised for the model year. The Porsche brochure mentions a lip, but doesn't mention a difference.

The visual differences include bigger side skirts, two tiered wing and fixed buckets. I also meant to add the wheels are also different.

Thats really all I can think off the top of my head. I know there was some big changes in the suspension set up of these two particular models, however, I would have to reference that information via my Porsche Bible as I would tell you something wrong without doing so first.

 

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There a few differences that distinguish the RS from the GT3, albeit most are on the RS. Carbon Fibre high rise wing, carbon fibre hood, Lexan rear window, the obvious graphics and color coded wheels, nozzle inserts on the front bumper and carbon fibre side mirrors. The RS also has flame retardent interior.

You may have also seen some RS models with PCCB's as they are an option.

Comparing the perfomance of the two is like comapring a spoon to a fork. Even with the RS being 100+ lbs lighter and the powertrains being similar, the torque on the GT3 is greater by almost a 100 ft lbs. Thats a lot...

The Rs suspenison is superior of the two. Carnewal was selling RS suspensions components a while back for US owners of GT3. Not sure how much sense it would make since the GT3 suspenison can be adjusted for toe, camber, caster and 4 way bar settings front and rear. That evens the playing field tremendously between the two.

Personally, I think performance is to close to decide a clear cut winner of the two. But straight off the show room floor, the RS is set up to handle like its on rails. Look at its Ring time for proof of that.

I will agree and say it does look better.

 

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AUTOart made this version in plain white.
There are 2 editions : the old one with dog-legged doors and a front mesh
the new one (released few months ago) without the front mesh and without the dog legs but with new rear lights (taken from the street GT3RS).

This one is mine. It is an old version
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[gundam40]

Thanks Darrick, for the clarifications! Dang you know your cars well :giggle

I always thought the RS was below the R in terms of performance, since the R is much more aggressive looking than the RS

I'm going to get them ALL ALL ALL!!! MWAHHAHAHAHA, :tease

First the R, then the RS, then the RSR, then the racers, then....

 

[Guest]

Actually, I don't know a lot...the Porsche brand is so hard learn due to all the variations and options per model class.

The racer versions are not at the top of the food chain. It goes like this:

GT3(street version)>GT3 Cup Car>GT3RS>GT3RSR