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It seems that the AUTOart GT3R and Kyosho 300ZX, both cars that are kinda hard to find, are being reissued... Just curious about everyones thoughts on this sort of thing... These dont seem to be limited or numbered, unlike some of the complaintes about other companies that reissue limited or special editions in second colors and what not....

Also, what model would you like to see reissued the most??

Ill take care of the "most wanted" the Mclaren F1 (a UT updated by AUTOart..please?)
 
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I have a feeling the Supra might make a comeback with Kyosho. Of all the Japanese supercars, the Supra looks the best.

What I've seen with Kyosho is that whenever they re-release something, they just reissue a model and do very minimal changes, not improvements. When AUTOart reissues something, lately at least, you can expect some kind of improvement (Skyline R34, Porsche GT3R).

But yeah, these manufacturers are smart and are constantly watching the market and the demand for their products. Gives us some kind of hope for the models that "got away."

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Although I feel sorry for any collector who paid too much for an OOP model that he passionately wanted for his collection (but no sympathy for any speculators), I think anything that brings prices down is good for us. As for what I want reissued, I've only been collecting for a few months and I'm not too familiar with what's OOP other than a few of the more popular ones.
 
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I share the same thoughts as Mox in regards to colllectors who have paid a premium and then have the same model or similar version reissued. I fell prey to this with the 98 Corvette Pace Car by Maisto, paid $56 for it and then Ertl released the 98 Corvette Pace Car just last year. This was good news for collectors who have been wanting it but was not willing to pay the premium price that these models had risen to.

I have no problem with reissues providng the model is not a limited edition model. Not that I have many limited edition models. I believe if a model is billed as limited editions and the retail price reflects this, then they should remain that way. That means no producing the model in different liveries as well.

If a model is not a limited edition and is reissued, then thats fine by me.

I know I would like to add a Kyosho Supra to my collection, but not for $100+ they are commanding on eBay. If they are released, that demanding price would certainly fall as the supply would be plentiful. A good thing for collectors wanting the model, but not neccessarily a good thing for those who already have it.

But playing devils advocate.

Reissuing any model will certainly bring more models to the market and in some cases drop increased prices on sought after models.

That being said, I know there has to be some collectors who realize when they have something special in a model that is highly sought after. Amodel that fits this description more than likely was hunted for over a long period time and possibly didn't come cheap as the demand was high and the supply was low.

Therefore reissuing a model would revive a model that was once extinct and considered the 'Holy Grail' of a collectors collection, to being just another model :tempted

I do like knowing that there are models out there that are 'extinct' making the hunt for them that more thrilling. Reissues could alleviate the hunt and we all know the thrill of the hunt is part of the hobby itself.

Great question :goodpost
 
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in my opinion, I think re-issueing the same exact model is not a good idea at all. However, there are a couple of issues.

A model like the GT3R is pretty much modern, the detail in the new issue will be quiet the same level, and such a re-issue would not really harm the collector. On the other hand, the re-issue of old molds at a higher level of detail is a :nutkick to those who went searching all across e-bay and other websites.

It is allright to issue another 300ZX, but plsss put something different on it, colour scheme, spoiler, rims, something! Just to keep the old mold really rare. Of course it would still decrease the demand of the old model, but at least, it is still a different version which may be greatly demanded by some japanese car collectors.

I would like, for example, that somebody re-issues the Mclarens from UT. They would be great cars, but... what about the time and money spent trying to find the ones I have?

So, in my opinion, companies should make olders models, but only if they are going to issue certain one's that have not been reproduced in the past which now are regarded are really rare and precious.

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i like re-releases. i hate paying inflated prices because i've missed it first time around. prime example, kyosho's 365 competition. i got an email that a certain store got some in stock. that was at lunch time. i went home (as i forgot my wallet with cc info at home) after work to order it and it was sold out.

i didnt want to order it from the US as it more cost effective to get soemthing from within Canada. then all o fthe sudden even the US supply dried up. ebay was fetching 150ish cdn. waitied 14 months before they were in stock and available again. glad i did that :)
 

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I agree with the others.
As long as it is not a numbered limited edition then I could care less.
Taking the AUTOart GT3R as an example, it was never discontinued or limited, it was just hard to get.
Why wouldn't AUTOart make more if there is a demand?
It is much cheaper to make than the upcoming race versions so they might as well make as many as they can sell.

I do have a problem when Exoto comes out with an almost identical product that was once sold out and cashes in on the demand of the secondary market :ranting
 
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JMO - I really don't care if models are reissued b/c I'm a collector, not a speculator. I'm not buying with the intent of selling. I agree with Jeff tho, reissuing and jacking the prices is just wrong. :box :nutkick

If it's a reissue d/t supply and demand, then so be it. As long as reissues are somewhat ltd to a few cars of a series and not redoing the whole line, I don't see a problem. There's a lot of models I missed and am not willing to part with the kind of $$$ needed as I feel they're just not worth it. I will for some rarities, but not all.
 

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I share the same thoughts as Mox in regards to colllectors who have paid a premium and then have the same model or similar version reissued. I fell prey to this with the 98 Corvette Pace Car by Maisto, paid $56 for it and then Ertl released the 98 Corvette Pace Car just last year. This was good news for collectors who have been wanting it but was not willing to pay the premium price that these models had risen to.
Same thing happened to me, with Maisto 1996 Corvette Grand Sport Coupe. The original run was only for the convertible version, and if you wanted a coupe to round out the set, you had to make one. There was a guy selling them on eBay, for $100, and I had to have one. I actually supplied the spare Grand Sport chassis, to make sure that the wheels, tires, interior, and engine bay details matched.

About two years after I bought mine, Maisto releases a Coupe version that you could get for under $20 most times. I bought one of those, as well, and you can't tell much difference between the custom and the production versions. :nutkick

Nope, didn't buy the first one for the investment, bought it to compliment two Exoto 1963 non-liveried Grand Sports, but I am a little steamed :cry that I lost $80 in the process.

There seems to be a controversy about Highway 61 doing a cover of various versions of the 1969 Camaro that had previously been released by Ertl. I have a few of those, as well, and was actually planning on dumping two of them that really don't fit my collection. I bought the Ertl's on eBay, and they were fairly rare (Silver one, and Gold one), so I paid a decent price for them. Now with the Highway 61 versions coming out, I am sure Ertl's will tank, as well.

Okay, sorry for the :ranting , but I am not in favor of re-issues, especially where I have the original version in my collection. Besides the value, there is the uniqueness, and satisfaction of knowing you have a limited edition.

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I don't see how anyone could have an issue with HW61 doing the Camaro.
It is a different company doing it so it doesn't count as a re-issue.
That would mean that once a car is done by one company it should never be done again by another?

I am sure there are some Hot Wheels Ferrari owners that don't subscribe to that theory :lol
 
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Arghhh. I'd love it if Kyosho, AUTOart, anyone could make some nice Ferrari models. I'd love to see a middle of the road Enzo, rather than the $300 BBR, and the $10 Hot Wheels. Or someone else making the 330/P4...412P.

If there are any cars that I would love to see reissued, it would have to be the Minichamps Ferrari F1 cars, starting with the F93A through...well, they can take over for Hot Wheels as well...so F93A to the F2005! Haha.
 

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Wasn't really my issue, just passing along comments I saw on another Board. I have always said that I am a collector, first, second, and always, and that value of my collection is a tertiary concern. I do think that a "re-issue" of any model, even if it is by another manufacturer, does diminish the market value of the original, as we have seen tremendous progress in the quality and workmanship of die cast over the past decade. Other examples would be Eagles GT-40's and 917's, and then Exoto comes out with their Fords, and AutoArt does the Porsche's. I still have my Eagles GT-40's, because I am not that much of a Ford fan to drop a bundle for an Exoto version (I will when they finally release one that appeals to me, such as a Gulf livery). Same way with the 917's, I have the entire set of AutoArt's, and display them one shelf higher, and to the right of the Eagles. In both cases, there is some overlap, but that's what collecting is all about: Your choice.

Okay, sorry, :ranting over.

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I'm all for them. It's great for the people that missed out on them and there's a chance of the model being improved a little bit (ie the GT3R, no dog leg hinges). Yeah it sucks for the ones who paid the premium while the car was rare, but that's life, you can't always win :p.

I'd love to see the UT Porsche 993's, Ferrari F355's and 550's, Mercedes C36, and of course the McLarens reissued from AUTOart.
 
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I am in the position where I can see both good and bad regarding re issues .
I have been chasing the elusive AUTOart GT3R for many months now and either cant find them or get outbid on them and they go for top $$$`s .
In this case I welcome the re issue with open arms because I know I will finally come that step closer to completing (if you ever can ) my P car collection .

The flip side of the coin is this....I have recently spent around $400 to obtain 3 of my most treasured UT Porsches . How am I supposed to feel if one day its announced they have been re-released at retail prices . The value of my collection would be wiped out overnight , and whilst I collect purely for pleasure and not monetary gain , this would severely p*** me off .

Its ok for the collectors who wouldnt dream of paying these prices for a rare model , but for the guys who are willing to make sacrifices for that holy grail of models , its nothing more than a kick in the teeth .When I pay top $$$ for a rare model , I expect it to continue to be rare and keep its value .

In my opinion , if a model is to be re-issued then it should not be allowed to be done in the same livery or colour as the origional , therefore keeping the value of the origional up where it should be .
Unfortunately , manufacturers dont give a monkey that I just paid £200 for a Naked lady GT2 , they made no money out of the deal as they were paid for it when it was purchased first time around . If they think they can make money by doing a re issue , then they will , and that my friends is what it all comes down to , making money .

Just to add , I personally hope they NEVER re issue the UT Porsches , Mclarens , Escort Rally cars , Alfa touring cars etc etc . If you want one badly enough , do what we all have to do.....pay the premium .

Ok rant over :cheers
 
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I wouldn't mind if Kyosho reissues the NSX Type R, but they would have to fix the suspension so they don't sit so high.

As for the AUTOart GT3R, what newer things (if any) is going to be included in the new version? At the moment, I'm still looking to get the original release GT3R, but they go for such high prices on Ebay. Should I just wait for the new release?
 

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Hmmm, its a touchy one this question, and a very good one to ask.

Personally, I don't have a problem with re-issues. They are a way of letting collectors obtain that car they always wanted, but either couldn't find, or couldn't afford. I sympathise with Gary in that he might spend big money on completing his UT Porsches, only for a re-release to wipe that value out.

But will it?

To the general 'collector', the re-release will be like manna from heaven. They can get the cars they need, the company makes more money, the model shops move that stock and make thier share, and most people are happy. Excpet that now people like Gary have cars that everyone now has, except his are older, maybe not as mint etc. But I contend that the re-issues do not necessarily equate to a reduction in the original's value.

Example: Kyosho released their range of Group A Skylines in Calsonic, HKS, Unisia Jecs and STP Taisan. They were going for ridiculous prices on ebay, but then Toyzone resurrected these cars and re-issued them in a limited run of 400 per car. This was great for collectors who missed out on the first releases whether that be from lack of funds, not collecting models at that time etc. Yet, the original releases still represent the 'holy grail' if you are serious enough and want the whole set. No re-issue or re-release will ever take away from that. Try and find an original Kyosho #12 rather than the 10th Anniversary release, and they are still as rare as they ever were. It make not matter to the casual collector that the packagaing on the new ones is different, but to the hardcore true collector, getting the Toyzone and 10th Anniversary cars simply will not mean the end of their search. Admittedly the Toyzone cars were in different boxes with certificates, but the cars were the same, and as such constitute a re-issue of those original Kyosho cars.

Now, if a company buys UT's assets and moulds (assuming they have not been destroyed), and re-issues them, many many more people will be able to share in the pleasure of owning a car that they really really want. At the same time, the speculators and sharks will be burnt because they will no longer be able to make money off serious collectors who desperatley desire a particular car. That has to be a good thing. Unfortunately, the collector who has shelled out big $$$ to obtain the original cars won't be feeling so happy, but at the same time, do utilitarian principles apply? I would say yes, whereas others might say no....

Does the fact that the original cars' value might drop because of the re-issue mean that re-issuing in itself is a bad idea? What if that serious collector who paid the big $$$$ for the original never intends to sell anyway? Would a drop in dollar value mean the same in emotional terms? No. Would a drop in dollar value REALLY devalue the original release? Probably not, although it is indisputable that the collector who paid serious money would feel personal disgust and anger that they had paid so much for a car that was re-released in essentially the same form later at a cheaper price. But they could then buy the re-issue as well, and have a truly complete collection - one that people who buy the re-issue only can never hope to own unless they go through the same financial pain and find an original release as well.

Does the 2nd and 3rd publication of a book mean that the first edition is worth any less or any easier to find? No.

Hardcore collectors will still desire the first editions in the same way that serious collectors who want say, an original UT Porsche, or original Kyosho Group A Skyline will still seek out those cars. Delta_Farce (on these forums) searched ebay until he found an original Altaya (I think) release of Mazda's 787B in 1:43. The IXO version was plentiful, and more often than not, cheaper, yet he wanted the original release. Some collectors are like that, so re-issues don't necessarily doom the demand for the original cars.

Now, I will put my own personal cap on here. As members may or may not be aware, I have been wracked with frustration at not being able to complete my collection of Ebbro's 1:43 R32 GT-R roadcars. They are the central aspect of my collection, and the two I do have are my prides and joy. As anyone who desires a complete collection will know, having it in a state of 'incompletion' is agonising. I am not one who generally subscribes to the idea that the thrill is in the chase - to me, the thrill is in seeing your complete collection sitting proudly in a display case to be admired. Having gaps in it drives me to distraction. I missed getting the whole collection because I did not realise they were even manufactured until the last ones were disappearing off the shelves of the only (at that stage) stockists of Ebbro models in Australia. So, I feel I can be forgiven for not realising the 'gravity' of the situation. If I had my time again, I would have bought the lot.

Now, it is not necessarily a case that I cannot afford to complete my collection of Ebbro R32 GT-R roadcars (although that is certainly pertinent considering the prices they fetch when they reach the international market, as well as my financial stautus as a student), but that they don't reach the international market. They circulate (even for high prices) in Japan, and Japanese sellers (on yahoo auctions) as I have found, don't ship worldwide. If Ebbro were to re-release the range, it would make myself and many other collectors very happy indeed. If you ever see an Ebbro R32 roadcar come up for auction, if it fetches less than double its rrp, then you have seen something truly remarkable. The fact they don't appear makes them so much more desirable. They were the first cars to be released by Ebbro, from 1997-2000, and so have long been discontinued and thus, are now, unattainable. Re-releasing them will mean that I (and Japanese collectors no less), will no longer have to see prices reach up to 16,000 yen (as I saw an R32 Nismo car realise last week on Yahoo Auctions Japan).

I have emailed Ebbro asking if they have plans to re-release the R32 range, and the response was a "no". I am confident there would be a market for these R32's, even if only limited to a release of 1,000 of each colour, and I would happily snap them up (well, not all 1,000!!! :giggle ). I desperately want the remainder of the collection, and a re-issue would be a dream for me.

However, would I still buy the original releases? Well, not immediately, simply because I could not afford them straight away, but in the future? My word, yes. My collection might be completed with re-issues, but not the original releases that started the range, and where the entire Ebbro story begins. They would be the focus of a future search when I had more money to devote to it. A complete collection means alot to me.

So, my point is that re-issues would spell the death for speculators who prey on the serious collectors, the desperate, and occasionally, the stupid. But after the initial rush was over, the desire to find the first releases remains. Re-issues can offer improvements on models, or simply an opportunity to let the fiscally challenged (poor), or the desperate collector the chance to complete their collections at a price far more agreeable. They may not have the history or occupy the 'mythical' space the first runs have, but they are, in my mind, a good thing.

I understand that there are perfectly sensible rebuttles to my points, and that's cool, but for me personally, I know what it feels like to be on the wrong side of the fence.

Just my :mine
 

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:iagree :iagree That's my feeling on it, as long as the model in question was not originally sold as a numbered/limited edition then re-issues do not bother me. I do not like how Exoto play the re-issue game though such as there recent re-release of the 1964 LeMans GT class winning Daytona Coupe. Sour grapes on my part perhaps (as I have one of the originals) but this was a real holy grail of a diecast and now if you don't mind a driver figure, it is just another marketing ploy by Exoto.

I have very few models that I paid over the odds for (most of my models are bought at retail or below) so from a value point of view I do not have anything to lose when a model I have is re-issued. :cheers
 

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Jim, I pretty much knew where you stood on this issue, I was just taking the other side for the sake of discussuion :cheers

I think you are right about a new release hurting the value of an old release but that happens in every consumer product.

In my opinion the diecast makers shouldn't worry about what is going on in the secondary market when making plans for future releases.
 
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